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Re: what to do ?
16 Mar 2016 08:07 - 16 Mar 2016 20:03
The pod filters & 4-1 exhaust increase the amount of air flow, but the stock jets are too small for the uptake of enough fuel. opening the choke adds fuel, so it runs better with the choke on. opening the throttle adds air, but the jets are too small, so it runs worse.
Of course, double check that the pilot orifices are good. not obstructed. and maybe other stuff.
Of course, double check that the pilot orifices are good. not obstructed. and maybe other stuff.
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Re: what to do ?
16 Mar 2016 08:23
tomorrow i will look in carbs for pilot jets . and today just reading .thanks i will write that i will find tomorrow.
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Re: what to do ?
16 Mar 2016 08:57
drilling pilot jets ,? the central hole ??can u explain for me ? central hole is 1.4mm how big dril bit i nead ? fuck i am noob if stock size is 32 pilot jets so its .32mm of what ?????
In order to get larger TK pilot jets, they will have to be drilled. This works well and is relatively easy to do. Stock is #32 (.32mm). With just a minor change to the exhaust, a stock pilot will usually work fine. With major exhaust changes, or pod air filters, #34 or #37 (.34mm or .37mm) may be needed.
Drilling Jets
Drilling jets is relatively easy. Since the orifice is already there, the drill is just shaving a small amount of brass. Usually it is best to mount the drill in a vise carefully, and just hold the jets by hand and let the bit pull itself into the jet. It will drill out very quickly, so it is important to use a very very low speed drill, and don't linger after the bit goes through. It is important that each jet takes about the same amount of time to drill out for uniformity.
Drill Bits
Obviously, very tiny drill bits are required to do the drilling. The most readily available set of tiny bits is probably the Forney Industries 60239 Mini Drill Set. It covers all of the sizes required for the TK22 up to 99 mains, and has the two smallest sizes required for the pilots (34 and 37).
In order to get larger TK pilot jets, they will have to be drilled. This works well and is relatively easy to do. Stock is #32 (.32mm). With just a minor change to the exhaust, a stock pilot will usually work fine. With major exhaust changes, or pod air filters, #34 or #37 (.34mm or .37mm) may be needed.
Drilling Jets
Drilling jets is relatively easy. Since the orifice is already there, the drill is just shaving a small amount of brass. Usually it is best to mount the drill in a vise carefully, and just hold the jets by hand and let the bit pull itself into the jet. It will drill out very quickly, so it is important to use a very very low speed drill, and don't linger after the bit goes through. It is important that each jet takes about the same amount of time to drill out for uniformity.
Drill Bits
Obviously, very tiny drill bits are required to do the drilling. The most readily available set of tiny bits is probably the Forney Industries 60239 Mini Drill Set. It covers all of the sizes required for the TK22 up to 99 mains, and has the two smallest sizes required for the pilots (34 and 37).
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Re: what to do ?
16 Mar 2016 08:59
al pilot jet central hole is 1.4 and the tip of pilot jet is only 0.32 mm ?? and its nead to change to 0.37????
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16 Mar 2016 10:36
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16 Mar 2016 10:47 - 16 Mar 2016 10:48
That is running exceptionally bad. Jetting, alone, won't run that bad.
It sounds like running on 2 cylinders on your video.
Don't make adjustments to the carbs until you know the ignition is working.
Spray water on the exhausts pipes when hot to see if they are all the same temperature.
The water should dance off with steam. If not then maybe there is no ignition on that cylinder.
Did you work on the engine at all?
Did you check the choke plates?
See this page for choke flaps: gpzweb.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.co...chokePlateFlaps.html
It sounds like running on 2 cylinders on your video.
Don't make adjustments to the carbs until you know the ignition is working.
Spray water on the exhausts pipes when hot to see if they are all the same temperature.
The water should dance off with steam. If not then maybe there is no ignition on that cylinder.
Did you work on the engine at all?
Did you check the choke plates?
See this page for choke flaps: gpzweb.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.co...chokePlateFlaps.html
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Re: what to do ?
16 Mar 2016 10:53 - 16 Mar 2016 10:56zirafin wrote: al pilot jet central hole is 1.4 and the tip of pilot jet is only 0.32 mm ?? and its nead to change to 0.37????
No. The passage is 1.4mm. But it gets smaller further in.
gpzweb.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.co.../TK22variousJets.gif
The original pilot is 0.32mm. To run pods you may need to drill it to 0.34mm, or maybe 0.37mm.
BUT NOT YET. CHECK OTHER THINGS FIRST.
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Re: what to do ?
16 Mar 2016 11:36
no i did not do anything for motor . I checked only sparks plugs if its spark on them . and looked for timing of ignition . maybe its can be problem i attach a picture.
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16 Mar 2016 11:42 - 16 Mar 2016 11:51
tomorrow i will look :
1.how is working cilinders al 4 ore 2 ,
2.choke plates.
3.pilot jet
4.spark and spar plugs
thanks i hope we will find that devil inside :evil:
and write u , i will tray to mace more video and pictures .
1.how is working cilinders al 4 ore 2 ,
2.choke plates.
3.pilot jet
4.spark and spar plugs
thanks i hope we will find that devil inside :evil:
and write u , i will tray to mace more video and pictures .
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Re: what to do ?
16 Mar 2016 12:20
If you opened the valve cover, did you release the cam chain tensioner before installing the valve cover? That is very important.
The valve cover pushes on the chain, so the tension must be released before installing. Then the tensioner will put tension on properly.
gpzweb.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.co...KZZXZR550500400.html
The valve cover pushes on the chain, so the tension must be released before installing. Then the tensioner will put tension on properly.
gpzweb.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.co...KZZXZR550500400.html
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16 Mar 2016 22:15UH OH!!loudhvx wrote: If you opened the valve cover, did you release the cam chain tensioner before installing the valve cover? That is very important.
The valve cover pushes on the chain, so the tension must be released before installing. Then the tensioner will put tension on properly.
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Re: what to do ?
16 Mar 2016 22:29
jep no i fucked up '( no i just potted back it and start engine.) so i need today to remove valve cover and near the carburetor (location ) tensioner then to pray .and try again to instal valve cover (screw bolt according to the scheme) and then instal tensioner
ore i need new chain
ore i need new chain
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