Black deposits on pistons
- KzChop82
-
Topic Author
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 145
- Thanks: 7
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 11:36
UPDATE:
The following has been done:
valve lapping
ran taps through every thread
degreased
cleaned with soap and water
very lightly wet-sanded gasket areas with 400 wet paper
very lightly wet-sanded gasket areas with 600 wet paper
oiled valve guides
cleaned all oil passages
Now for the leak test:
I turned the head over and inserted the valves and spark plug.
I filled the combustion areas with carb cleaner, and rubbed a blue dry-erase marker into each opening.
The exhaust and intake areas were stuffed with dry paper towels to track any leaks.
#4
#3
#2
#1
I put them in about an hour ago.
How long do you think I should wait to investigate?
The following has been done:
valve lapping
ran taps through every thread
degreased
cleaned with soap and water
very lightly wet-sanded gasket areas with 400 wet paper
very lightly wet-sanded gasket areas with 600 wet paper
oiled valve guides
cleaned all oil passages
Now for the leak test:
I turned the head over and inserted the valves and spark plug.
I filled the combustion areas with carb cleaner, and rubbed a blue dry-erase marker into each opening.
The exhaust and intake areas were stuffed with dry paper towels to track any leaks.
Attachment IMG_3496.jpg not found
Attachment IMG_3504.jpg not found
Attachment IMG_3505.jpg not found
#4
Attachment IMG_3506.jpg not found
#3
Attachment IMG_3507.jpg not found
#2
Attachment IMG_3508.jpg not found
#1
Attachment IMG_3509.jpg not found
I put them in about an hour ago.
How long do you think I should wait to investigate?
Clinton, NJ
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Attachments:
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- KzChop82
-
Topic Author
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 145
- Thanks: 7
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 11:39
It should be noted that NO springs are installed- the valves were just slid into the holders.
Also, Is carb cleaner too thin to use for this purpose? I tried to use the closest weight to gasoline, without using gasoline... Thoughts?
Also, Is carb cleaner too thin to use for this purpose? I tried to use the closest weight to gasoline, without using gasoline... Thoughts?
Clinton, NJ
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- PLUMMEN
-
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 8139
- Thanks: 104
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 11:48
Put the valve springs back on the motor,then flip the on its back(intake side).
Fill exhaust ports with solvent,then blow compressed air around edge of each exhaust valve where it meets the valve seat.Watch for bubbles in the solvent.
Flip the head over and repeat on intake side.
Fill exhaust ports with solvent,then blow compressed air around edge of each exhaust valve where it meets the valve seat.Watch for bubbles in the solvent.
Flip the head over and repeat on intake side.

Still recovering,some days are better than others.
The following user(s) said Thank You: bluej58
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- KzChop82
-
Topic Author
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 145
- Thanks: 7
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 11:55
So, I would be pointing the compressed air right next to the spark plug firing area (combustion chamber side), correct?
And use one of these?
How close do I get to the valve? I have a 1.5hp pancake compressor (light duty).
Thanks for the tip.
And use one of these?
Attachment airblower.jpg not found
How close do I get to the valve? I have a 1.5hp pancake compressor (light duty).
Thanks for the tip.
Clinton, NJ
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Attachments:
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- PLUMMEN
-
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 8139
- Thanks: 104
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 11:59
Do it right around the edge of the valve where it meets the seat like youre trying to blow the air under the valve,thats more like the conditions the valve is under when engine is running. 
That blower will work.

That blower will work.
Still recovering,some days are better than others.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- KzChop82
-
Topic Author
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 145
- Thanks: 7
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 12:01
After more than 90 minutes:
1 & 2
3 & 4
I'd say that's a pretty good seal for having to springs attached for pressure, right?
Attachment IMG_3511.jpg not found
1 & 2
Attachment IMG_3512.jpg not found
3 & 4
Attachment IMG_3513.jpg not found
I'd say that's a pretty good seal for having to springs attached for pressure, right?
Clinton, NJ
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Attachments:
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- PLUMMEN
-
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 8139
- Thanks: 104
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 12:08
Remember the combustion chamber is pressurized when engine is running.
Still recovering,some days are better than others.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- SWest
-
- Offline
- Sustaining Member
- 10 22 2014
- Posts: 23351
- Thanks: 2883
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 13:04
I just turn it on it's side complete, fill with gas and watch for leaks. About 5 minutes each. Remember, the valves will seat in further when run so check their adjustment at 500 miles.
I was planning to say, after my valve seal,valve and spring install, my valve train sings like when it was new, no clatter, no oil burning and I feel comfortable going to red line. In fact I have to watch the tach to keep from going past it.
"God I love it when a good plan comes together." (Hannable Hayes, the A team)
Steve
I was planning to say, after my valve seal,valve and spring install, my valve train sings like when it was new, no clatter, no oil burning and I feel comfortable going to red line. In fact I have to watch the tach to keep from going past it.
"God I love it when a good plan comes together." (Hannable Hayes, the A team)
Steve
Z1b1000 1975 Z1b
kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/598262-kz-...-will-it-live#672882
kzrider.com/forum/2-engine/597654-poser?start=240#704229
kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/598262-kz-...-will-it-live#672882
kzrider.com/forum/2-engine/597654-poser?start=240#704229
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- KzChop82
-
Topic Author
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 145
- Thanks: 7
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 17:48
Can't wait for that... and the warm weather.
Did the exhaust side tonight, will try and get the intake done tomorrow.
Did the exhaust side tonight, will try and get the intake done tomorrow.
Clinton, NJ
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Nessism
-
- Away
- Sustaining Member
- Posts: 7676
- Thanks: 3051
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
14 Jan 2015 18:16
The valve seal is fine. I wouldn't bother testing it with the head sidewise.
Did you measure the valve seat width yet? Spec is 1.2mm max. If the seat width is too wide the seal won't hold up with mileage.
www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-digital-caliper-47257.html
Did you measure the valve seat width yet? Spec is 1.2mm max. If the seat width is too wide the seal won't hold up with mileage.
www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-digital-caliper-47257.html
Ed
Carb O-ring Kits : www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/61807...-o-ring-kits?start=0
www.kzrider.com/forum/faq-wiki/618026-new-owner-things-to-know
1981 KZ750E2
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/604901...z750e-project-thread
Carb O-ring Kits : www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/61807...-o-ring-kits?start=0
www.kzrider.com/forum/faq-wiki/618026-new-owner-things-to-know
1981 KZ750E2
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/604901...z750e-project-thread
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- KzChop82
-
Topic Author
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 145
- Thanks: 7
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
15 Jan 2015 04:32
Ed,
I'm assuming you were talking about the exhaust valves; are the intakes a different spec?
The average is 1.6mm
I'm assuming you were talking about the exhaust valves; are the intakes a different spec?
The average is 1.6mm
Clinton, NJ
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- KzChop82
-
Topic Author
- Offline
- User
- Posts: 145
- Thanks: 7
Re: Re:Black deposits on pistons
15 Jan 2015 04:33Nessism wrote: The valve seal is fine. I wouldn't bother testing it with the head sidewise.
Did you measure the valve seat width yet? Spec is 1.2mm max. If the seat width is too wide the seal won't hold up with mileage.
www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-digital-caliper-47257.html
I measured off the valve, not the seat. I can only assume they will be identical, correct?
Clinton, NJ
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Custom chopper, 1982 KZ 1000 M2 CSR engine, K&N Pod Filters
PICTURES AND GOPRO VIDEOS!! :
www.dropbox.com/sh/jipz3l8nhzr4jge/AABbm...OC3sqlhCSLxH5Fa?dl=0
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.