Wiring diagram with munit - REVIEW

Larry G wrote:

Hey I am interested in doing something similar with the m unit and I was going to ask any chance you could put up a few photos of what you have done if possible.  I am thinking about doing something similar to you and I was hoping to see what you did and also if you think the motogadget m unit is a good product or would the alternative have been better?

www.louis.de/artikel/axel-joost-joost-el...icle_number=60181030

www.elektronikbox.de/shop/?language=en

This is alot less than the motogadget version. Okay no app but honestly I can live with that.

I am not dissing the motogadget stuff but it's extremely expensive for what it is. I am thinking about looking more into motogadget cause well I am living in Berlin so hopefully they have a showroom or demo at the factory.  I tried to call them but no one answered. 
I will post on what they say at motogadget.

thank you and sorry to read about the clutch.

Larry 

Hi,
I haven’t taken many photos during the process, but I started creating a wiring diagram overview with help from users on the forum—especially @Wookie58 , who has been a huge help! I can repost the diagram if you haven’t seen it yet.

I have some main connectors located under the gas tank, as original, and then I spliced the cables inside the headlight. If I were to do it again, I might consider not splicing inside the headlight and instead running the cables directly from the source to the connectors under the tank. I also ran two main ground cables from the headlight to the rear and connected everything up front to those ground cables.

I’ll take some photos of the bike next time I’m working on it.As for the M-unit, I don’t have much experience with it, and I’m still getting familiar with the M-unit Blue
But I think I’m really going to enjoy the keyless function—being able to turn the ignition ON/OFF just by having my phone nearby I think I will love as a feature.

I will share some photos soon.

Larry G post=913773 userid=68262
Hey I am interested in doing something similar with the m unit and I was going to ask any chance you could put up a few photos of what you have done if possible.  I am thinking about doing something similar to you and I was hoping to see what you did and also if you think the motogadget m unit is a good product or would the alternative have been better? 
www.louis.de/artikel/axel-joost-joost-el...icle_number=60181030   www.elektronikbox.de/shop/?language=en  

This is alot less than the motogadget version. Okay no app but honestly I can live with that. I am not dissing the motogadget stuff but it's extremely expensive for what it is. I am thinking about looking more into motogadget cause well I am living in Berlin so hopefully they have a showroom or demo at the factory.  I tried to call them but no one answered. I will post on what they say at motogadget. thank you and sorry to read about the clutch. 
Larry 

Hi Larry,
I've had the mo.unit and the B-Box from Axel in my bike. Can't speak much to the reliability of the mo.unit as it's only been wired up for a few rides. The B-Box worked well and some things were easier to wire up (side stand switch) but my unit didn't play well with my charging system and it died on.me mid-ride. I'm not sure where the fault was but probably with the regulator. My son has had a B-Box in his bike for the last three years and has had no issues. 
With the mo.unit: I need a side stand switch on my bike but I also want the bike to run on the stand in neutral. That means wiring the neutral switch parallel to the side stand switch. It also means adding a diode from the neutral light up front so the light doesn't go on whenever the side stand is up. I also added a diode from the mo.unit so that the power from the cockpit light couldn't flow back into the unit. 
I have attached a rough circuit diagram. The blue lines are all connected to ground, the red lines are switched 12V. The headlight circuit is in the second diagram - I have an LED headlight with a daytime riding light (DRL). The DRL only works if the park light is off so I added an extra relay.

[Edit: one drawback of the B-Box is that the ignition circuit has a 5A fuse on it. It automatically resets but with 3 Ohm coils and a Dyna S the fuse goes as soon as the ignition is on. The mo.unit has a 10A fuse so I no longer need an extra relay for the ignition.]

mo.unit:
 

B-Box:
 

 

Hey Calum, danke für die Infos und die Fotos. Ich bin eigentlich Ire, aber ich war schon ein paar Jahre in Berlin. Ich werde auf Englisch weitermachen, damit alle anderen mich verstehen können.

You have a really nice build and thanks. I am still not sure if motogadget is they way I want to go the axel joost box Is a third the price and seems less to mess with plus louis motorrad sells it. 

has anyone else used the axel joost box?

I actually don't want keyless and I think that's the only way with motogadget. 

Hey Larry,
let me know if you're down south near Stuttgart sometime. 
I reckon you'll be OK with the H-Box. You can get the mo.unit basic without bluetooth and just use a key (that's the version I have but I use the NFC mo.lock instead of an actual key). But the H-Box is still a lot cheaper and a lot smaller. You can also upgrade the H-Box to use the mo.lock - it's cheaper than Axel's RFID solution.

If you do go with the H-Box make sure you get everything wired up and then decide which connectors make sense for the box. I'd probably use a small 6-pin connector for all the inputs and another one with 6.3mm terminals for all the outputs (with a bullet for the starter relay). If you do everything with single bullet or blade connectors it will be a nightmare if you have to disconnect it (all the output wires are the same colour).

I'm not sure how much luck you'll have finding someone else here that has used any of Axel's units. Probably better off checking out one of the German forums like caferacer-forum.de

Thank you to Wookie Gordone and Calum I have been given alot of info to think about. 
When I start I will keep you updated. 

Scirocco wrote:

You need only one direct clean amplified pic-up signal, (see the extra red wire on the Dyna III)

 

The converter i have use to get correct rpm readings.....

 
 




 

@Scirocco, I have postponed fixing the RPM issue with my new speedo so I could enjoy some nice driving hours this summer
I have one cable going to the front light, which is split out from the pickup sensor wires, as shown in the diagram below.
I still have the original IC unit and have not upgraded to Dyna.

Is it correct to understand that if I purchase the same RPM signal converter you used, the RPM on my speedo should start working?




 


 

Larry G wrote:

Thank you to Wookie Gordone and Calum I have been given alot of info to think about. 
When I start I will keep you updated. 

I am using a "D"- box from Axel Joost in my build, will post pics soon of my wiring set-up (It will be a while before I can comment on reliability etc  )

gordone wrote:

Scirocco wrote:

You need only one direct clean amplified pic-up signal, (see the extra red wire on the Dyna III)

 The converter i have use to get correct rpm readings.....

@Scirocco, I have postponed fixing the RPM issue with my new speedo so I could enjoy some nice driving hours this summer

I have one cable going to the front light, which is split out from the pickup sensor wires, as shown in the diagram below.
I still have the original IC unit and have not upgraded to Dyna.

Is it correct to understand that if I purchase the same RPM signal converter you used, the RPM on my speedo should start working?


 

Michael (scirocco) hasn't been on line since May so an answer may not come on this !!!

Hey I am i no way putting my name by this product but I will spend my personal money on it when I have some . Honestly i found Axel on Louismotorrad I really think its better than motogadget cause it was sealed for weather . Wookie please let me know what you are doing. My KZ is my first bike I never want to let her go and I have plans for her.Wiring was my plan this winter but honestly I am rebuildin my front end . 

Hey thanks guys and gals 

Larry

These units are not solving any RPM issues?
I’m tempted to just order the signal converter @Scirocco mentioned, but I’m not in a rush, so I’ll wait and see if he comes online on the forum again first. It’ll be a small winter project much smaller than rebuilding the whole electrical system like I did last winter. I would have made it in time if the starter clutch hadn’t failed, but next season will hopefully be without any issues — though you never know with an old bike :)I can also say that I’m really happy with the M-Unit — it works well for me, and I love the fact that it automatically unlocks the bike when my cellphone is near. :)But I guess other options might give you more for the money.

Wookie58 wrote:

Larry G wrote:

Thank you to Wookie Gordone and Calum I have been given alot of info to think about. 
When I start I will keep you updated. 

I am using a "D"- box from Axel Joost in my build, will post pics soon of my wiring set-up (It will be a while before I can comment on reliability etc 

)

Larry if you are still looking for ideas with your electrical I have now posted the update on my build thread (link is in my signature