A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
19 Dec 2009 11:02
i normally set up my engines to use .004" on the intake and .006" on the exhaust. seems to work pretty good for me.
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
19 Dec 2009 12:57
.004 intakes, .005 exhausts.
Don't worry too much about perfect accuracy right now, cause you will be back in thier soon enough to check/change some out again.
Tight tolerances are great for making power (if you want), you'll just have to check/change more often.
Too tight = :S Compression loss, burnt valve, poop.
Don't worry too much about perfect accuracy right now, cause you will be back in thier soon enough to check/change some out again.
Tight tolerances are great for making power (if you want), you'll just have to check/change more often.
Too tight = :S Compression loss, burnt valve, poop.
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
19 Dec 2009 13:10 - 19 Dec 2009 13:14
9am53 wrote:
A1: CORRECT - big no-no. It will mark up the cam lobes BAD.
A2: You need to have shims in place before tightening down any cam caps so as not to damage the cam lobes on the sharp bucket edges.
I would swap shims with the caps properly torqued down, so you don't change the gaps/tolerances accidentally.
This is also part of the reason why after some kms, you'll have to get back in thier and check/change shims, and torques. Heat and expansion are going to make things change.
Cheers!
Turning the crank without having the shims on top of the buckets is a big no-no right? would it be a good idea to take the cams out before I do the shim swapping?
A1: CORRECT - big no-no. It will mark up the cam lobes BAD.
A2: You need to have shims in place before tightening down any cam caps so as not to damage the cam lobes on the sharp bucket edges.
I would swap shims with the caps properly torqued down, so you don't change the gaps/tolerances accidentally.
This is also part of the reason why after some kms, you'll have to get back in thier and check/change shims, and torques. Heat and expansion are going to make things change.
Cheers!
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
19 Dec 2009 16:05
"use .004" on the intake and .006" on the exhaust."...
Well I wish you Canooks would make up your damn mind.... You want freaking metric then you recommend in inches.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Well I wish you Canooks would make up your damn mind.... You want freaking metric then you recommend in inches.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
19 Dec 2009 16:26
who the hell said we wanted metric, i do all my clearance measurments in standard always have i do know this for sure 1 mm is .040" i convert back and forth all the time. also each shim size is about .002".
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
19 Dec 2009 17:21 - 19 Dec 2009 17:21
Here's one of the several handy quick conversion web-sites.
No math required. :laugh:
www.onlineconversion.com/length_common.htm
Good Luck!
No math required. :laugh:
www.onlineconversion.com/length_common.htm
Good Luck!
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
19 Dec 2009 18:59 - 19 Dec 2009 19:00
Old Man Rock wrote:
:laugh: :laugh: .10mm on intakes, .005inch on exhausts.
Just to clarify. :woohoo:
PS. its Canuck! :silly:
"use .004" on the intake and .006" on the exhaust."...
Well I wish you Canooks would make up your damn mind.... You want freaking metric then you recommend in inches.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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:laugh: :laugh: .10mm on intakes, .005inch on exhausts.
Just to clarify. :woohoo:
PS. its Canuck! :silly:
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
19 Dec 2009 20:37
TeK9iNe wrote:
yeah, Crazy Canucks....who keep getting injured before the olympics....damn skiers
Tomorrow I will do what swapping I can, that motion pro tool works about as well as a butter knife for cutting sushi. I think I will have to get the hang of it. I understand why too tight is bad (for tolerances anyway) but how is too loose bad (again, for tolerances :S ) would too loose just mean the valves are not opening enough?
Old Man Rock wrote:"use .004" on the intake and .006" on the exhaust."...
Well I wish you Canooks would make up your damn mind.... You want freaking metric then you recommend in inches.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
OMR
:laugh: :laugh: .10mm on intakes, .005inch on exhausts.
Just to clarify. :woohoo:
PS. its Canuck! :silly:
yeah, Crazy Canucks....who keep getting injured before the olympics....damn skiers
Tomorrow I will do what swapping I can, that motion pro tool works about as well as a butter knife for cutting sushi. I think I will have to get the hang of it. I understand why too tight is bad (for tolerances anyway) but how is too loose bad (again, for tolerances :S ) would too loose just mean the valves are not opening enough?
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
19 Dec 2009 22:22
yep,but too loose is still better than too tight
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20 Dec 2009 06:35
can-cooks....
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Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
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Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
20 Dec 2009 08:31
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well as a matter of fact i do cook everything out of a can! :laugh:can-cooks....
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Re: A Newbies Adventures in Maintenanceland!
20 Dec 2009 19:33
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Too loose is OK. But valvetrain will be very noisy. You'll get that cold lifter sound... TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP... very annoying.
Remember, when checking the clearances, press the feeler gauge perfectly flat to the shim hard (by bending it), then attempt to slide it under the cam. If you just try to push the gauge in at an angle, often it will jam and make you think there is no gap.
Ahh, back in the newbie days...
Hope this helps!
Cheers.
Too loose is OK. But valvetrain will be very noisy. You'll get that cold lifter sound... TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP... very annoying.
Remember, when checking the clearances, press the feeler gauge perfectly flat to the shim hard (by bending it), then attempt to slide it under the cam. If you just try to push the gauge in at an angle, often it will jam and make you think there is no gap.
Ahh, back in the newbie days...
Hope this helps!
Cheers.
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79 Kawie Z1000 LTD
81 Kawie Z1000 CSR
83 Honda VT750C A
85 Kawie GPZ900 A2
86 Zukie GS1150 EG
93 Yamie XV1100 E
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79 Kawie Z1000 LTD
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83 Honda VT750C A
85 Kawie GPZ900 A2
86 Zukie GS1150 EG
93 Yamie XV1100 E
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