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11 Jun 2010 19:00 #375168 by 650ed
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Is that brake fluid reservoir going to cause a problem being titled like that? I'm just wondering what will keep it from leaking or how hard it may be to check/top off the fluid. Ed

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11 Jun 2010 19:45 #375187 by dutchz
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I think the angle of the pictures is throwing you off, it's not that bad. I've had clip-ons for years with the stock Z1 and Grimeca master cylinders, never a problem. Those were of a straight design. This one is actually angled so the reservoir will be more horizontal than any mc I have used before, if anything it should be better.

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12 Jun 2010 04:47 #375230 by larrycavan
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dutchz wrote:

Thanks dude. Well I got the pipe back from the ceramic coaters, all satin black. They didn't blow any holes in it luckily. Just gotta pack the baffle and throw it on the bike now.

I also measured it to compare the final specs to Larry's calculations I was trying to approximate (for my motor/cam combo):

dutchz wrote:

For 65.599 CID from 6000 to 8500 RPM

Single Primary Pipe Specs Diameter= 1.052 to 1.177 Length= 23.0 to 25.5 inches long

Best HP/TQ Tuned Collector Lengths= 13.6 , 27.1 , 54.2 , 108.4 inches long

Worst HP/TQ Loss Collector Lengths= 20.3 , 40.7 , 81.3 , 162.6 inches long


The final measurements are:
Primary OD 1.5"
Primary length 26.5"
Collector diameter: 2"
Megaphone exhaust out to 4" with a 2.5" race baffle.
Collector length (from end of primaries to end of exhaust) 29"
Overall length of system: 55.5"

Not too bad I am within a few inches of optimum lengths.
Here's a picture:


Pipe came out good Sander :) Get 'er fired up so we can see what she does

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12 Jun 2010 06:55 #375236 by mark1122
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That job u did on the pipe is absolutely beautiful.
Congrats on that bro.B)

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
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12 Jun 2010 07:47 #375246 by DoubleDub
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dutchz wrote:


Wow!

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12 Jun 2010 09:57 - 12 Jun 2010 10:01 #375260 by dutchz
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Thanks guys! One step closer to being back on the road. Now if my knee would bend another 20 degrees I could actually ride my bike as well :silly:
Jobs left:
- caliper hangers + brake lines
- dash + finish wiring
That's pretty much it I think. Another month or so I hope.

Larry, I will definitely throw it back on the Dyno to see what it does. I am even thinking of throwing the old 29s back on the bike and saving the CRs for the next project... may not have been the carbs after all?

Here's two dyno graphs, CR31s

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12 Jun 2010 10:03 #375261 by dutchz
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... and VM29s. CR31s were never dialed in 100%, still need jetting.

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12 Jun 2010 13:04 - 12 Jun 2010 13:05 #375279 by mark1122
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the 29's do look to have a higher peek torque, although the 31's torque curve drops a little slower. it will be interesting to see how the new pipe affects the normal 5000 flat spot. That is where the 4-2-1 headers are supposed to fill in.
the new pipe may move the curve 500rpm as well?
Are these 2 runs back to back on the same bike? why is the scale is dif.

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
Cobourg, Ont. Can.

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12 Jun 2010 18:07 #375329 by dutchz
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Same bike, same dyno, same 4th gear roll on, but 6 months apart - dates are on it :laugh: Same flat spot too. The only changes made to the bike were the addition of a dyna 2000 instead of the S (Dyna S back on bike now) and the carbs.

The scale is the same but the dyno will start recording when you push the button, and stop when you push it again. The difference you see in the lower rpm scale is caused by rider/operator only.
There are a lot more runs but these two graphs are a pretty good representation of the difference between the two sets of carbs.
You are correct, the torque curve was a bit flatter with the CRs but I could not get the same numbers as I did with the 29s. The CRs pulled through the flat spot a bit cleaner and still needed a bit more set up. The CRs are more sophisticated and easier to do needle and jet changes than the smoothbores, but did not get rid of the flat spot either. I hope the new pipe will work, or I give up :lol:

The Yosh is the only thing on the bike that has not been upgraded - everything else was done, 1075 kit, Cavanaugh head, cams, ignition, carbs.

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12 Jun 2010 22:52 #375383 by porchev914
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The exhaust came out NIIIIIIIIIICE! :woohoo: If it will clear my shock linkage, then I want one!

FRANKEN Z!
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12 Jun 2010 23:19 #375387 by dutchz
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Thanks Porchev914. No plans for production, though. Unless I can figure out how to bend my own primaries :unsure: How far does your shock linkage stick out and is it centered on the swingarm?

I am so excited to fire this up for the first time and HEAR the new pipe :woohoo:

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13 Jun 2010 06:01 #375403 by camaroguy
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what are you using to repack the baffle?pipe looks sweet

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