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bountyhunter wrote:

I was trying to figure out if there is any documentation as to the mechanism by which napthalene might increase mileage. I would think it would have to be one of three things:

1) It does something to the gas mix to make it burn more completely.

2) The napthalene itself is some kind of energy dense substance that burns and imparts energy.

3) napthalene and gas form a new compound which has a higher energy density.

With it being used for decades, I would have thought chemists would have figured this out by now.

Ahh. Finally a man that reads. Yes your #2 is the one. That is all it is. You are actually burning the Naphthalene. The Gasoline is the solvent and the carrier. BINGO.

loudhvx wrote:

Well, I've been waiting for it, but I guess no one's going to ask...

What do you do with the rest of the moth?

:laugh:

:blush:

The reason I did not get into that subject is two fold.

1)There is not much use for neutered moths.
2) Moths that have balls the size of a Nickel get pretty pissed and you don't want to have anything to do with them once you have gelded them. :blush:

TeK9iNe wrote:

otakar wrote:

Naphthalene WILL NOT increase octane of modern fuels by more than a fraction of a %. It however is a complex energy dense hydrocarbon. I am supplying you with results which I have achieved, and with the cooperation with Argonne engineers. What you do with this information (or not do) is up to you. All I know is that it saves me about 20% in real $s on fuel costs on my cars. That is all I require to know. I do NOT run it in my bike because fuel cost is not an issue at 40+ mpg. Yes if used in access Naphthalene will burn very dirty if used in over abundance. This over abundance is about 10x or more of what I am using. The old formula when octane of motor fuel was about 40 octane was about 12 balls/Gal of gas. This raised the octane rating by about 50%, to about 60 octane. Xylene and Toluene however will raise octane by quite a bit on even modern fuels. If you read the entire post, that is where this discussion came from. I only answered the comment about "Moth Balls" and how I use them and for what purpose, and how it works for me. If you have not done any real tests your selves and have only opinions

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well you know what they say about opinions. I know what I know because of the actual testing which I have personally done. Take it or leave it.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :whistle:

I thought it was ok to offer an opinion...

Peace.

Yes it is that Is why i have so many and such big ones. Because I am the biggest of them all :laugh:

trianglelaguna wrote:

so if i toss two mothballs .the fuel safe type,in cup of gas and disolve em,and toss it in my kz tank when full,is there a risk to my bike?

simple yes or no maybe?

cause it is either yes or no ,unless i am reading this wrong...thanks..

No harm at all. You can add more than that without harming anything. If you go more than one/Gal of gas there will not be any extra benefit. If you have carburetors and you are not running lean there will not be any benefit at all.

otakar wrote:

If you have carburetors and you are not running lean there will not be any benefit at all.

Does this mean if you run carbs that are set up to proper mix range the mothball thing doesn't have any effect?

If your carburetors are set up for a given engine and are set up properly, that is correct. Once you add the moth balls the carbs would have to be reset for a "new fuel". Think of it this way. If your bike is set perfectly to run on 100% regular gasoline and you introduce it to gas that is 10% or 15% ethanol, the engine will not run the same and will have to be re-jetted richer. For Naphthalene it will have to be jetted leaner. Don't get me wrong, it will still run but not as well and you will not see any added benefit. What I like about Naphthalene is that it reverses the millage robbing affects of ethanol additives. Now having said that, If you have a 100% stock bike of the vintage we usually talk about here, the Naphthalene will have added benefit. The reason for that is because none of those bikes were set up and jetted for ethanol added fuels. Because today MOST gas has Ethanol, the Naphthalene will richen the mixture by offsetting the ethanol. If you have already re-jetted richer than once again no added benefit. If however your carburetors are jetted lean for one reason or other you will definitely notice the Naphthalene.

Is there a certain brand of mothless balls that has Naphthalene. If I recall correctly you said something about tar coal flavored MB and that was converted to an acid and will do damage to the motor.

Actually, Naphthalene is the coal tar extract. It is the Dichlorobenzene Moth balls you do NOT want. They are all clearly marked on the box as to what they are. Just remember that if you see the word CHLORO than stay away from it.
The ones I get are these. Just make sure it states "Naphthalene" as the ingredient. Enzos makes both, but the box looks different. Also dissolve them in either Toluene or Xylene. The formula I listed in the first Moth ball post id wrote works the best, with Lucas and either Xylene or Toluene. Which ever is easier for you to get. That will usually be Xylene.

I'm not sure we can get toluene or xylene in California. Would acetone work?

I would be surprised if you could not get those two. They are standard solvents. Do not use Acetone. That would be disastrous. Acetone will damage the seals in
the carburetors and the intake boots. If you have a sealer(liner) in the tank it will damage that. If you add too much Acetone to your fuel it will induce severe detonation.

Can you just disolve the MB in a cup of gas?
Does it just take too long or it just doesn't disolve?
Thanks.