Premium Fuel?

Kawickrice wrote:
[quote/] I have never heard of the electrical watt for HP only James Watt. Just curious as I am no science guy[/quote]

In europe kW is often used in lieu of hp

Adam.... KW is named after James Hawaiian cousin Kilo.... :huh: :dry: :silly: :blink: :laugh: :laugh:

What I do not understand about "Bioperformance fuel additive" is how they get any noticeable results with one little pill since I am using about 1mb/gal of gas. The content cant be concentrated any more than it is. As I also mentioned before, people used to use as much as 10mb/gal in the old days. when I started the experiment, I started with one ball/10gal and had no noticeable result. Where I finally started to notice results was at about 1mb/5gal of gas and that was so small that it was actually questionable weather I am imagining it or not. The results started being recordable at about 1mb/3gal of gas. I also found no added benefit by adding more than 1mb/gal. Actually the results between 1mb/1.5gal and 1mb/1gal were almost negligible. Even the percentage increase is quite large. This is why I do not recompensed more than the 1mb/gal, because of diminishing returns past 1mb/1.5 gal gas.

I just had a good giggle. i went on the web and researched "Bioperformance fuel" additive. After reading "a lot" it was funny that they sell a little bottle for about $37 when I buy Naphthalene at Home Dept for about $3.50 a big box. that is good for about 175-180 gallons of gas.

Very interesting stuff indeed, but back to the original question -

Using higher octane fuel than the engine is designed for or needs is a waste of money and can actually DECREASE power. A couple of guys over at zrxoa have done dyno runs with different octanes of fuel in the same bike to confirm this.

But to the side issue, If I put mothballs in the tank of my truck, will I kill moths as I drive? If it would kill mosquitoes too, I'd do it for sure!

I agree 100%. Due to additive formulations in gas, it changes the fuel density index. This means that on a standard float type of carburetor with fixed jetting, some fuels will run leaner and some will run richer. 100LL aviation gas is a good example. Because of the only additive being lead, it will richen your mixture. Other fuels use heavy fuel additives and therefore lean out your mixture. Lucas fuel additive is one such additive. This is also why on a fixed jet carburetor and todays fuel it is a good idea to stay with one brand of fuel and a given additive regiment. although the changes will not be enough to damage the engine, they will be enough to induce performance changes. Most of the people that have noticed a change in performance when switching to premium gas, noticed it not due to the compression of the engine but because of improper jetting for their engine configuration. In most automotive fuel situations today there are more additives in premium fuel and will make the engine run leaner. It is also common knowledge that most people tend to over-jet their carburetors. This is why they notice a performance increase when going to premium fuel. It is also a known fact (at least here in the Chicago metro area) that Shell "Premium" gas is very inconsistent in their blend. Much more so than other brands. most Dyno shops around here will tell you that if you run premium and want to get your vehicle Dinod, not to bring it in with Shell premium in the tank.

so if i toss two mothballs .the fuel safe type,in cup of gas and disolve em,and toss it in my kz tank when full,is there a risk to my bike?

simple yes or no maybe?

cause it is either yes or no ,unless i am reading this wrong...thanks..

otakar wrote:

Naphthalene WILL NOT increase octane of modern fuels by more than a fraction of a %. It however is a complex energy dense hydrocarbon. I am supplying you with results which I have achieved, and with the cooperation with Argonne engineers. What you do with this information (or not do) is up to you. All I know is that it saves me about 20% in real $s on fuel costs on my cars. That is all I require to know. I do NOT run it in my bike because fuel cost is not an issue at 40+ mpg. Yes if used in access Naphthalene will burn very dirty if used in over abundance. This over abundance is about 10x or more of what I am using. The old formula when octane of motor fuel was about 40 octane was about 12 balls/Gal of gas. This raised the octane rating by about 50%, to about 60 octane. Xylene and Toluene however will raise octane by quite a bit on even modern fuels. If you read the entire post, that is where this discussion came from. I only answered the comment about "Moth Balls" and how I use them and for what purpose, and how it works for me. If you have not done any real tests your selves and have only opinions

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well you know what they say about opinions. I know what I know because of the actual testing which I have personally done. Take it or leave it.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :whistle:

I thought it was ok to offer an opinion...

Peace.

Well, I've been waiting for it, but I guess no one's going to ask...

What do you do with the rest of the moth?

:laugh:

:blush:

loudhvx wrote:

Well, I've been waiting for it, but I guess no one's going to ask...

What do you do with the rest of the moth?

:laugh:

:blush:

You release all the neutered moths back into the wild which will help control the moth population and help them improve the decor of their nests....

I was trying to figure out if there is any documentation as to the mechanism by which napthalene might increase mileage. I would think it would have to be one of three things:

1) It does something to the gas mix to make it burn more completely.

2) The napthalene itself is some kind of energy dense substance that burns and imparts energy.

3) napthalene and gas form a new compound which has a higher energy density.

With it being used for decades, I would have thought chemists would have figured this out by now.