Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
12 May 2016 12:09
There's nothing wrong with helicoils. They're stronger the the originals threads. I would run a tap thru all the threads to clean them up. Maybe torque town the caps and make sure they all hold torque.
For the head you should take it apart, media blast, match the intake runners to the carbs holders. I would then instal ape valve springs and Viton valves seals.
Depending on the mileage you should consider new valve guides.
I would remove the jugs without dropping the Pistons from their bore and replace the base gasket along with the oil passage orings
For the head you should take it apart, media blast, match the intake runners to the carbs holders. I would then instal ape valve springs and Viton valves seals.
Depending on the mileage you should consider new valve guides.
I would remove the jugs without dropping the Pistons from their bore and replace the base gasket along with the oil passage orings
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
12 May 2016 12:43 - 12 May 2016 13:47
Spark plug is darker on side of intake valve. Guess which valve seal is bad?
Scratch that! Spark plug is NOT oily.
Oil rings are probably stuck. People never flush engines.
Scratch that! Spark plug is NOT oily.
Oil rings are probably stuck. People never flush engines.
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 02:09
Ok, I made a spring compressor and got the valves out today. All of the seals were brittle and probably on their way out and the seal on the exhaust valve in the problem cylinder was definitely leaking. The guides seem tight at least. Here are some pictures
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1977 KZ650B
KZ750H Motor Installed
gpz750 Intake cams Kz750 Exhaust Cams
VM28SS Mikuni Pumper Carbs
Elecrosport Stator and Regulator Rectifier
Dyna 3ohm coils
Derale Oil Cooler
4into1 delkevic Pipes
Pod Airfilters
KZ750H Motor Installed
gpz750 Intake cams Kz750 Exhaust Cams
VM28SS Mikuni Pumper Carbs
Elecrosport Stator and Regulator Rectifier
Dyna 3ohm coils
Derale Oil Cooler
4into1 delkevic Pipes
Pod Airfilters
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 04:59 - 16 May 2016 05:00
So this motor has the goodies listed in your profile? Sounds like it must be a strong runner..... after cleaning up the head and valves betting it will be even a wilder ride...... I replaced all my cam cap threads with heli coils before I sent the head out so I wouldn't have to worry about them later so like stated your probably better off with em in.
1978 KZ650 b-2
700cc Wiseco kit 10 to 1.
1980 KZ750 cam, ape springs, stock clutch/ Barnett springs.
Vance and Hines Header w/ comp baffle and Ape pods, Dyna S and green coils, copper wires.
29MM smooth bores W/ 17.5 pilots, 0-6s and 117.5 main
16/42 gearing X ring chain and alum rear JT sprocket.
700cc Wiseco kit 10 to 1.
1980 KZ750 cam, ape springs, stock clutch/ Barnett springs.
Vance and Hines Header w/ comp baffle and Ape pods, Dyna S and green coils, copper wires.
29MM smooth bores W/ 17.5 pilots, 0-6s and 117.5 main
16/42 gearing X ring chain and alum rear JT sprocket.
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 06:21
Clean up the head and use some fine lapping compound to see how the valve and seats are. If there are blank spots or the seats are too wide, you need the have them ground. That being the case, the guides should be replaced as well.
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 10:13
There's a member on here, DFIGPZ, that sells sets of Viton valve seals for 22.00 delivered
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 10:45
Thanks guys. Yes Kzb2 650 the bike was pretty crazy before I started this project. I'm actually in the process of detuning it a bit which is why I had the head off. The cams I was running were a blast but not great for city riding and the bike was prone to overheating if I got caught at more than a couple red lights. I have a gpz intake cam and kz750 exhaust I'm putting in in place. No more rocket ship but should still be fun. I got myself the Viton valve seals. Is there any trick to removing the jugs without dropping the Pistons from their bore. I have a new base gasket I'd like to install along with the head but would rather avoid having to hone and get new rings.
1977 KZ650B
KZ750H Motor Installed
gpz750 Intake cams Kz750 Exhaust Cams
VM28SS Mikuni Pumper Carbs
Elecrosport Stator and Regulator Rectifier
Dyna 3ohm coils
Derale Oil Cooler
4into1 delkevic Pipes
Pod Airfilters
KZ750H Motor Installed
gpz750 Intake cams Kz750 Exhaust Cams
VM28SS Mikuni Pumper Carbs
Elecrosport Stator and Regulator Rectifier
Dyna 3ohm coils
Derale Oil Cooler
4into1 delkevic Pipes
Pod Airfilters
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 13:02
Raise the jugs till you see the pins remove the two then do the other two
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 16:53The guides or seals?swest wrote: Clean up the head and use some fine lapping compound to see how the valve and seats are. If there are blank spots or the seats are too wide, you need the have them ground. That being the case, the guides should be replaced as well.
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 17:03
A three point seat grind should be done with new guides and seals.
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 17:05Yes, I misunderstood. So with new valve guides, a regrind is pretty much a given.swest wrote: A three point seat grind should be done with new guides and seals.
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Re: Pulled head and found 1 oily combustion chamber
16 May 2016 17:16
Yup. That's what I did in 87. I could have just slapped the thing together and rode it but while I had it down, was running a shop and had access to one of our best racing machine shops, I had them do a three point valve grind. I put in the guides before they got the head. (cheap bastard) I had them bore and match my pistons to the block I had from the Z2. I wanted it to last and I'm glad I did. I parked it after 5000 miles. Last year it got new valves, springs and Viton seals. 
Who knew I'd be riding it at 62 like a 20 year old. :woohoo:
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Who knew I'd be riding it at 62 like a 20 year old. :woohoo:
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