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Somebody Blew It 04 Jan 2024 22:51 #893605

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Making way for APE cylinder studs:

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Somebody Blew It 05 Jan 2024 05:49 #893615

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Is that where the clutch basket goes?  Can you install the clutch basket after the cases are together?  I've never done this, but I have the impression the basket needs to be installed first?
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Somebody Blew It 05 Jan 2024 06:48 #893619

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No the primary gear won't clear the case. 
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Making way for APE cylinder studs:

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Good job, proud of you. 

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Somebody Blew It 05 Jan 2024 07:47 #893623

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Personal preference for me is to use a thread chasers to clean the smuts out. I have found bolts to be sloppy when threaded into hole cleared with a tap. 
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Somebody Blew It 05 Jan 2024 08:36 #893628

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Personal preference for me is to use a thread chasers to clean the smuts out. I have found bolts to be sloppy when threaded into hole cleared with a tap. 
 

Is a chaser able to extend thread length deeper into the hole, or is a tap necessary to do that?

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No the primary gear won't clear the case. 
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When the 92027-1284 collar is removed from the shaft there is sufficient clearance for the clutch housing to be inserted at an angle into the case.




Is this not the case with other motors?

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Somebody Blew It 05 Jan 2024 08:57 #893634

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Personal preference for me is to use a thread chasers to clean the smuts out. I have found bolts to be sloppy when threaded into hole cleared with a tap. 

 

Is a chaser able to extend thread length deeper into the hole, or is a tap necessary to do that?

No. They just chase/clear threads. If new are needed you need a tap. Flat bottoming type on blind holes
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I've tried but no go. I'd be careful not to thread the studs in too far. I'd test with the barrels and head to be sure you'll have enough threads for the top hat nuts. 

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No the primary gear won't clear the case. 
Steve

 

When the 92027-1284 collar is removed from the shaft there is sufficient clearance for the clutch housing to be inserted at an angle into the case.

Is this not the case with other motors?

On the Z/Kz up to 1980 the center of the clutch is integral and no way to tip it in behind the case. Clutch hub must be installed before cases are mated. Good to find that is different on the “J”
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Somebody Blew It 05 Jan 2024 10:13 #893644

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I've tried but no go. I'd be careful not to thread the studs in too far. I'd test with the barrels and head to be sure you'll have enough threads for the top hat nuts. 

Steve
 

CS900K studs were installed in the 82 motor.  Each cylinder stud firmly seats against the hole bottom when tightened as specified.

www.aperaceparts.com/tech/cs10mm.html
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Somebody Blew It 05 Jan 2024 10:16 #893646

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No the primary gear won't clear the case. 
Steve


 

When the 92027-1284 collar is removed from the shaft there is sufficient clearance for the clutch housing to be inserted at an angle into the case.

Is this not the case with other motors?

On the Z/Kz up to 1980 the center of the clutch is integral and no way to tip it in behind the case. Clutch hub must be installed before cases are mated. Good to find that is different on the “J”
 

Short assembly video:

photos.app.goo.gl/U5oZmPtMk6BuxzCm9


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