Boostable wrote: Nice to see someone else jumping on the FI bandwagon. I am about to update my build thread on my bike with some progress and hope to have mine running next weekend. Anyway on to the topic at hand.
You can use damn near any TB as long as you can get the spacing right. As these guys have already said the size of the TB will dictate the sensitivity and smoothness of the power delivery. Small TB will require more throttle opening, larger will require less. I don't see you having a "to small" issue and I personally won't mind not having to twist my throttle so much.
I looked at both 636 and 10R TB's for my build and opted for the 10's They are obviously larger then the GPZ's, but I wanted a more modern TB. I only had to space them out 6mm and they line up damn near perfect. I had to use the large boots from APE and then use tapper sleeves to mount the large TB's
You can see that detail here.
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/479844...r?limit=20&start=180
Also, on the injectors just consider that with FI you have the ability to manipulate the firing duration to get you the correct amount of fuel. The higher RPM you run the larger injector you will need to get the necessary fuel up top, as your RPM rises you don't have as much time to deliver the necessary fuel, so a larger injector is necessary to do that. Regardless, I think if you start with TB's/Injectors from roughly the same size bike you will be well within the range of acceptability and be able to tune it to where you need it.
On the VR/Pickup side, I am 90% sure that I can run my MS with the stock or Dyna pickups. I have tested this on the bench, but have not validated this on the bike, so I can't say 100%. I will know for sure in the next two weeks.
Last but not least, Mega or Micro, well that's up to you. I am using the Microsquirt and I am very happy with it thus far. Space is at a premium on the bikes and the Micro is a plug and play sealed unit, perfect for the bike.
Anyway, I know it looks complicated but just take it slow, get your ducks in a row and you can always come here for support... or to vent!!
Bloody hell dude thats 1 f'in serious build you got goin on there! Just subscribed to the thread!
I'll try to get my head around this 'mega or micro', 'ignition & fuel'....or both. Unfortunately im pretty certain i'll be the 1st person in Ireland to do this kinda conversion to a bike!.......but i like learning & a challenge (i hate useless spare parts though
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steell wrote: It's gonna take more than one evening reading! More like a week! The name "MegaManual" is oddly appropriate
Regarding the ZX10 throttle bodies, those are 43mm if off a 04-05 ZX10R, and feed a 160-175 hp motor that turns ~12500 rpm. I have a set of them for my ZZR1200 motor after I get the ZX12 motor back together. You'd be a whole lot better off with 36mm-38mm throttle bodies in my opinion. Yamaha R6 throttle bodies look like CV carbs and are 38mm. Kawasaki used throttle bodies that were too large on the 2000-2001 ZX12, they added sub throttles to them in 2002 or 03 to bring back some drivability.
Same deal applies to the 650/750/810. 84-85 750 Turbo will make 150 rwhp with 33mm throttle bodies, while the stock GPz1100 made 120 hp with 34mm, with room for more. Why would you need larger? And don't tell me you can't find any, all you need to do is send me a PM with your address and pay shipping.
650/750/900/1000/1100 carb spacing is generally listed at 75-95-75, and ZX11/ZZR1200 is 75-85-75, and I have never found anything that is an exact match except the Turbo/1100 for the air cooled motors.
I have the following throttle bodies:
Yamaha FJ1300
Yamaha R6 (for the 750 twin)
Suzuki GSXR600
Suzuki GSXR1000
Kawasaki ZX10R (for the ZZR1200 motor)
And the 750 Turbo for Steve in Ireland
Not selling any of them, those are just ones I bought because someone claimed they were a direct fit, and they're not.
And 2000 ZX12R throttle bodies, but they're on the ZX12R.
Steve......thanks for popping in again..........is there ANYTHING you dont know about these bikes man??, i'll never know what you've forgotten!
Hmmmm.....is that an offer for turbo bodies?? (to buy of course), by the way, I CANT FIND ANY!!
Where did you find the accurate spacing measurement for certain bodies, can they be looked up somewhere?
Those Turbo ones might just be my saviour but i'd really like to see if those GSF650 or ZR750 ones will fit too, will they need their injectors changed? & do they have any extra piping over the Turbo ones like vacuum pipes or something? (any weird stuff on your ZX10 ones?) Being 35 & 32mm bodies (so im informed) i think they'll be plenty big enough. One of the reasons im looking into the newer ones so much is that the injector loom/harness can be sourced easily off a newer bike, i wonder if i need to get the correct firing order though or can the mega/micro control that?
I'd like to look into if i can use plug caps with coils in them too..........just to make it more compicated
Now, i'd better get studying, last time i looked it honestly felt like someone had sliced my head in 2!!