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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 13 Apr 2013 17:45 #582174

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No chance am i letting myself near building 1 of those, WAY too much i can mess up! lol
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 13 Apr 2013 17:56 #582176

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750steve wrote: No chance am i letting myself near building 1 of those, WAY too much i can mess up! lol


$645 fully assembled as listed above, $468 in DIY kit form.

I'm proficient with a soldering iron, so I build the kits. MS1 and MS2 so far.
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 13 Apr 2013 18:14 #582177

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Where from? I think I'll be ok with micro at the minute. If I ever go to the mega I'd be safer paying the extra for it to be built, you've 'known' me a while Steve, I'd be more proficient at making myself sterile with a soldering iron!!
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 14 Apr 2013 15:51 #582277

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750steve wrote: Where from? I think I'll be ok with micro at the minute. If I ever go to the mega I'd be safer paying the extra for it to be built, you've 'known' me a while Steve, I'd be more proficient at making myself sterile with a soldering iron!!


Now that's a disturbing mental picture!! :laugh:

I buy from diyautotune here in the US, I don't remember the name of the UK distributor, but I remember he was/is a big contributor to MegaSquirt.
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 14 Apr 2013 16:08 #582281

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Phil Ringwood www.extraefi.co.uk/

I've dropped him mail about a gauge he can suggest for A/F & Boost, i'll post up if he suggests anything
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 16 Jun 2013 22:33 #592604

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Guys, sorry to resurrect this, its 2.30am here & i cant read through the thread again.

What did you guys use for cyl head temp measurement? Or what sensor? My GPz Turbo head has a M10x1 hole for the original sensor (which cant be used) & the recommended GM sensor is WAY too big for the hole (16.5 ish mm wide)

I've found this, but i don't know how reliable it'll be!

thesensorconnection.com/cht-sensors/cht-...erature-12-and-14-mm
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 16 Jun 2013 23:16 #592622

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Might try the coolant sensor from like an 01 dodge ram, they use a smaller thread on them dunno the size tho
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 17 Jun 2013 00:06 #592627

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750steve wrote: Guys, sorry to resurrect this, its 2.30am here & i cant read through the thread again.

What did you guys use for cyl head temp measurement? Or what sensor? My GPz Turbo head has a M10x1 hole for the original sensor (which cant be used) & the recommended GM sensor is WAY too big for the hole (16.5 ish mm wide)

I've found this, but i don't know how reliable it'll be!

thesensorconnection.com/cht-sensors/cht-...erature-12-and-14-mm


I believe these are the thread you are looking for. But I do not know if they are what you need for the resistance values. They are pretty common through the Bosch Fuel injection Air Cooled VW and Porsche. www.texasaircooled.com/catalog/Type-4-Cy...perature-Sensor.html
Here is a link to the resistance at different temps. www.ratwell.com/technical/TempSensorII.html
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 17 Jun 2013 01:28 #592649

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Why can't you use the stock sensor? I believe you can change the values MS expects in Mega Tune and Tuner Studio tuning software. I believe it's discussed in the Mega Manual.

Had to refresh my memory :

These sensors were been used on practically all GM cars in the 1980s and are easy to find - the same is true for the correct connectors. However, other sensors can be used if the EasyTherm software is used to recalibrate your MegaSquirt® EFI controller.

Easy Therm

If you are using non-standard coolant and/or air temp sensors with a MS-I™ controller, you must create “.inc” files that are essentially look-up tables for your MegaSquirt® EFI controller to relate resistance to temperature (For MS-II™ you can change the curves directly in TunerStudio, with no other steps necessary). These files must then be compiled into one .s19 file, and then down loaded to the MegaSquirt® controller. EasyTherm makes it very easy to use “non-standard” temperature sensors with the MegaSquirt® controller. It does three things that otherwise can be a bit of a pain:


Mega Manual


Note that you do not need EasyTherm with MS-II, you can calibrate the thermistor tables directly in TunerStudioMS (under 'Tools') without reloading code.


I think the MicroSquirt is basically a MS II.



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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 17 Jun 2013 22:29 #592800

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Thanks Guys.

Motorhead, thanks for looking that link up, what i need is a 2 wire sensor, apparently more accurate, i've kinda found one but i'll use the stock sensor as Steve says, might as well give it a go & i have the resistance values.

Steve, yes the uS is more or less an MS2, a few less functions. I'll get this one running & then use it on my next bike, i'll maybe MS3 the turbo bike at that time. It says in the Manual or uS/MS2 doccumentation to use the 2 wire sensor but through discussion the original one might be ok as bike wire runs are so short (well thats what i was told). A guy on the turbo forum has just got his bike started on MS2 using the original sensor so that gives me some hope.
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 17 Jun 2013 22:58 #592803

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Wouldn't a sensor with a thermo pellet, be for immersing in liquid? The water temp sensors are two wire and a thermo pellet, when there is no liquid they go nuts.
Got a sensor in mind, can you post a link?
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Megasquirt / Microsquirt a KZ 17 Jun 2013 23:52 #592808

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The MegaSquirt and most other EFI computers uses two wire sensors to reduce the electrical noise due to grounding. Ground wire goes to computer ground.
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