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29 Jun 2009 00:16 - 29 Jun 2009 00:17 #302951 by otakar
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These needles only have one slot. One slot, with the taper he has on those needles will change the diameter, about .0003". That is like going up 1/3 of one jet size at mid range, from stock factory jetting.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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30 Jun 2009 20:06 #303510 by edspring1
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I sure hope someone gets this figured out. As some of you may already know I have had ' issues ' with the great man of MICO, TX 2 times now. The same exact type of carbs, for 2 different motors. 1st set I bought for my 1075 and the 2nd was taken off my 750/810. {BS34's} I may be able to shed a little light however. One the 1st set I got back they were supposed to be set up for a 1075, J head, Web 395 lift cam, Pods and a V & H 4 into 1, and put on his fuel/air analyzer. After 2 trips back to MICO, and still no where near right, I found a mechanic at my local dealership that would rebuild them on the side for me.{200.00} This is what he found inside. Diaphrams had a small amount of clear looking silicone to hold them in place, clips were 4 rings UP the needles, main jets 140, pilots 40, and he found soft black carbon inside most if not all the internal ports. The needles appear to be stock, as they have NO numbers, and are thick and squaired off on the very ends. Not tapered. No small spacer washers. Except 1 ea. under the main jets. After he was intially done I reinstalled and they sounded and ran like completely different carbs. Because he can only work on them on the weekend we are still fine tuning them but atleast I can ride it without any terrible issues like the first 3 times I installed them getting them back from WG.
The 2nd set as I mentioned were supposed to specially be left alone as far as any internal size changes. I removed them after 2 years on the same bike and I know they were tuned in and ran very well.
I wanted to give them away because of all my loss of money,time,and trouble from the 1st set. I figured the 2nd set wouldn't be any better than the 1st. George would NOT send them to anyone other than myself. I hesitated but I did put them on the 1075 bike. Wouldn't idle and would not rev over 3500 RPM sitting still.
Then I remembered those were originally off my 810 and surely they would be too lean for the 1075. Took them off, put them on the 810 bike and exactly the same thing. No idle, wouldn't rev over 3,500 RPM sitting still.
I will not get into all the frustrations I have been threw with the self proclaimed great one from MICO. Or the 369.00 for ea. set, shipping to him the 1st time then an additional 2 more times.
At that point I was so mad and frustrated I took them off and smashed them into peices. Then I had to clean the mess up...LOL Thats when I noticed the needles. Clips were on the 4th ring from the bottom, searched around and removed the jets. Mains 140, pilots 40. The 2nd set of carbs were sent to WG for rebuilding and SPECFIFICALLY was told to NOT change any sizes of anything internally. The reason they were sent was nothing more than periodically one carb or the other float would get stuck from sitting. Tap on the bowl and that always straightened it right out. This is a bracket bike that even with the carbs it that condition runs 11.0's in 90+ degrees, and as low as 10.70's in 70 and below. He made them into JUNK !
Forget about Geo helping you. The guy doesn't even know what he is doing. He told me everytime includeing the 1st time he had sent me the carbs they were put on a bike, test drove, and then adjusted with the use of his analyzer. And BOTH sets ran PERFECT when shipped. Neither set had even the faintest smell of gas, neither set looked like they ever had gas in them, and BOTH sets were set up identically for 2 completely different motors,
one a fairly stock 750/810, the other a 1075, J head, Web cams, 4 into 1, pods. Tell me how thats possible?
Let me/us know what your final tune up is PLEASE ! And if I get mine done before you, I will surely post my results.
Thanks

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30 Jun 2009 20:17 #303515 by Yojymbo!
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THIS THREAD HAS BEEN MURDERED BY YOJYMBO!

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01 Jul 2009 03:15 #303559 by roy-b-boy-b
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You can get Mukuni spacers/washers to go under the needles from Jeff @ Z1. Roy

1979 LTD Street Fighter.1977 KZ1000

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01 Jul 2009 05:30 #303576 by Buda
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I will post what ever I figure out.
Tom

1982 KZ 1170 LTD
10.25 to 1 comp
K&N pods
GPZ cams
Vance&Hines pipe with comp baffle
dyna coils and wires
97 Valkyrie Standard

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01 Jul 2009 05:32 #303577 by Buda
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Yojymbo! wrote:

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN MURDERED BY YOJYMBO!

Why do you want to murder my thread?
Tom

1982 KZ 1170 LTD
10.25 to 1 comp
K&N pods
GPZ cams
Vance&Hines pipe with comp baffle
dyna coils and wires
97 Valkyrie Standard

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09 Jul 2009 17:40 #305746 by otakar
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Hi Tom
I have parts in hand and they will be shipped to you with in the next two days. Except for some cosmetic cleaning, George did none of the mods required for pods and a larger engine. They will however get done now. You should have these back in hand by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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09 Jul 2009 18:04 #305756 by edspring1
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Sounds like a familar story.....LOL
My buddy in MICO seems to be slipping off the deep end.

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09 Jul 2009 18:15 #305761 by keith1
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otakar wrote:

Hi Tom
I have parts in hand and they will be shipped to you with in the next two days. Except for some cosmetic cleaning, George did none of the mods required for pods and a larger engine. They will however get done now. You should have these back in hand by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week.




george didnt do something right? cant be...you dont say....
all my heroes are dead now......:P :laugh:

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09 Jul 2009 18:56 #305783 by otakar
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keith1 wrote:

otakar wrote:

Hi Tom
I have parts in hand and they will be shipped to you with in the next two days. Except for some cosmetic cleaning, George did none of the mods required for pods and a larger engine. They will however get done now. You should have these back in hand by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week.




george didnt do something right? cant be...you dont say....
all my heroes are dead now......:P :laugh:


The point is that he did nothing at all, besides maybe polish the outsides and install new jets.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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09 Jul 2009 21:08 #305805 by brianrae33
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have exact same bike..and set up..minus wg rebuild...just cleaned mine and runs great..aside from fuel leaking from #1 carb..which i think just needs cleaned again..keep us posted..

1982 kz1000ltd

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10 Jul 2009 10:34 #305881 by otakar
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OK Tom everything is finished and going out today. You should have carb parts in hand by Monday. I enlarged the vacuum ports to the proper size and ramped them. Stock needles are shimmed and installed. New needles are in a separate bag. Instructions are also provided. I will be curious how these work for you. Any questions or coments cal 630-321-0580

Otto

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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