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KZP engine rebuild
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My machinist has the jugs, pistons and cylinder head but hasn't touched them yet.
Jim
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The cases were welded, jugs bored, new .050 over IMD pistons fitted, head refurbished, new cam chain guides installed, and everything put back together with new gaskets and seals. Valve clearances were adjusted.
Here are the issues:
Runs like crap. It starts but it took cranking the idle screw pretty far in to get it to idle. All headers heat up although it seems 2 and 3 heat a little slower than one and four, I didn't touch the carbs other than a good cleaning. It doesn't make any weird noises. I did a compression check and got 120, 90, 90, 120 which I attributed to a cold engine with non-seated rings.
I thought the carbs might be out of sync but I can hardly get a vacuum signal and actually get air pushing out of the carb nipple!
The oil pressure is also very low ( PSI) and I can feel air pushing out of the oil fill. I didn't have the oil pressure gauge installed before the rebuild so I don't know if the oil pressure was low before (but the light never came on).
Trying to think back what I might have done wrong and the only thing I can think of is maybe I'm off a tooth on the cam chain.
I put a timing light on it and the marks line up for 1-4.
Not sure where to go here except maybe pull the valve cover and check the cams again.
Jim
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Steve was right about the cams being off a tooth. Fixed that.
It starts easily, doesn't make any weird noises, idles OK. It has very little power below 3K but will pull from there until 5K all right but not great. It still feels "off".
I swapped in my GPz750 carbs which are working great in the GPz but there was no change when I ran them on the cop bike.
I did a compression check and a leak down and there are no issues there. The exhaust pipes heat up fairly evenly. I replaced the coils with Dyna units.
I keep coming back to timing but it looks fine. Here is the timing pointer:
The exhaust cam:
There are 44 pins between the arrows and the notches on the cams on the right are opposed. Not sure what else I could be missing.
Jim
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1982 KZ1100-A2
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But is that enough to cause these problems? It was running fine before I tore it down to fix the oil leak and do the top end.
Jim
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ThatGPzGuy wrote: Sadly, No. Just measured and I get 129.8mm My Clymer manual says it should be 128.9mm.
But is that enough to cause these problems? It was running fine before I tore it down to fix the oil leak and do the top end.
Not sure how significant, but considering how many times that measurement is repeated over the length of the chain, it would likely affect the crank/cam and cam/cam timing.
The chain may also be stretched-out more in some areas, which would also have an effect on operational consistency.
Kawasaki cop bikes are cool, but one must admit that few were given the worthy respect they deserved. A lesser engine would have blown sky-high just trying to endure the constant stress those engines were subjected to. :pinch:
I used the head from one of them for a short time. A dropped exhaust guide and several stripped out 6mm bolt holes were proof enough, not to mention the warp it had when I got it.
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I always thought these Hyvo chains were good to go for a good, long time. I would hate to tear this thing down again just to find that wasn't the problem. But since I can't ride it as is...
I might park it for a while and work on some other projects. Darn.
Thanks daveo
Jim
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Jim
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1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
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One last plea for ideas. I need to move on from this project. I would love to get this going but it's just not working out. I honestly don't know where to go with this so I am just going to put it back together and shove it in a corner for a while. I need to get the H1 going and I have some work to do on the café bike.
Any last things ideas to try will be welcome...
Oh, and F... Photobucket.
Jim
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1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
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1965 Mustang
1967 Triumph GT6
1976 Bronco
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