Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC:

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 17 Aug 2022 08:56 #872384

  • SWest
  • SWest's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
  • 10 22 2014
  • Posts: 22435
  • Thank you received: 2621
I just wrapped it with electrical tape and used a flat allen bolt (the name escapes me) to get more room. Been working 4 years now. 
Steve

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 21 Aug 2022 15:01 #872624

  • Gdailey2112
  • Gdailey2112's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • 82 KZ1100D1
  • Posts: 401
  • Thank you received: 34
flat allen bolt? you mean replacing the primary side dyna screws? 
that would surely help, i guess as long as the allen bolt isn't too long
great idea steve
1982 KZ1100D1

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 22 Aug 2022 06:02 #872642

  • Move0ver
  • Move0ver's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • Posts: 253
  • Thank you received: 56
I used heatshrink tubing to keep the coil screw from shorting out against the mount (they weren't touching, but close enough to be arcing a spark):






The strange thing is that the old dyna coils i had on the bike (same type) didn't have that problem

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Last edit: by Move0ver.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 23 Aug 2022 02:45 #872669

  • zed1015
  • zed1015's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • Posts: 2904
  • Thank you received: 1468
I gave up insulating the posts as the screw heads eventually work their way through it with vibration and short out.
The newer coils seen to be worse for this and i think that their mounting holes don't have as much leeway for clearance as the older ones.
Even with machining up the thinnest posts i could getaway with they still arced out eventually.
I now either make a  post for that side of the coil out of non conductive material, Nylon etc or in the case of my current projects an adaptor bracket that uses the furthermost mounting hole which gives plenty of clearance.
AIR CORRECTOR JETS FOR VM CARBS AND ETHANOL RESISTANT VITON CHOKE PLUNGER SEAL REPLACMENT FOR ALL CLASSIC AND MODERN MOTORCYCLE CARBURETTORS
kzrider.com/forum/23-for-sale/611992-air-corrector-jets-





Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 23 Aug 2022 03:07 #872670

  • Gdailey2112
  • Gdailey2112's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • 82 KZ1100D1
  • Posts: 401
  • Thank you received: 34
hey zed, is it the green and black wires most likely to arc, or is it both?
1982 KZ1100D1

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 23 Aug 2022 04:36 #872674

  • zed1015
  • zed1015's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • Posts: 2904
  • Thank you received: 1468

hey zed, is it the green and black wires most likely to arc, or is it both?
Either will short.
It's a continuous current through the coils to the ignition pick-ups or points.
The dyna coils aren't polarity specific so the power feed can go to either terminal.
The lower one is the most prone to shorting due to the proximity of the mounting post.
The upper less so as long as you use a low profile pan head type screw/bolt.
If using a cap/allen bolt the top edge of the head can get close to the upper terminal.
AIR CORRECTOR JETS FOR VM CARBS AND ETHANOL RESISTANT VITON CHOKE PLUNGER SEAL REPLACMENT FOR ALL CLASSIC AND MODERN MOTORCYCLE CARBURETTORS
kzrider.com/forum/23-for-sale/611992-air-corrector-jets-





Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 24 Aug 2022 15:00 #872775

  • Gdailey2112
  • Gdailey2112's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • 82 KZ1100D1
  • Posts: 401
  • Thank you received: 34
10-4 i always want to know these type of things, may seem like a silly question to some, i dunno lol
1982 KZ1100D1

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 25 Aug 2022 10:16 #872828

  • TheTrout
  • TheTrout's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • Posts: 170
  • Thank you received: 55
Will there be any physical signs of arcing?  I will be looking into this on my 78 kz1000 after work today and wonder if there is anyway to know for sure if this is my issue.  My issue being 2 cylinders seem to drop out, not consistently and sometimes if I rev it up real good it will over come that....temporarily.  It also seems to happen after the bike is warmed up.
1978 KZ1000B2

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 25 Aug 2022 11:55 #872840

  • Nerdy
  • Nerdy's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
  • Posts: 1007
  • Thank you received: 379

Will there be any physical signs of arcing?  I will be looking into this on my 78 kz1000 after work today and wonder if there is anyway to know for sure if this is my issue.  My issue being 2 cylinders seem to drop out, not consistently and sometimes if I rev it up real good it will over come that....temporarily.  It also seems to happen after the bike is warmed up.
 

That may be the result of arcing, but the first thing that came to mind is that one of your coils may be starting to fail. It can work well when cold, but as it heats up the errors can become more pronounced. Eventually you will get less and less run time out of the coil before it stops working, e.g. if you can ride for 30 minutes now before it acts up, soon you will get only 20 minutes, then 10, etc. unless the coil just Fails (capital F) in the meantime.

It's difficult to test this unless you're prepared to ride around the block, parking lot, etc. until it acts up, then pull out the multimeter and test it immediately.
1979 KZ400 Gifted to a couple of nephews
1967 Yamaha YCS1 Bonanza
1980 KZ440B
1981 Yamaha XT250H
1981 KZ440 LTD project bike
1981 GPz550
2013 Yamaha FZ6R

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 25 Aug 2022 12:23 #872841

  • Move0ver
  • Move0ver's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • Posts: 253
  • Thank you received: 56
I saw the coils arcing against the mounting post; it looked awfully close when I installed them, so I started the bike without the tank on and was able to see the spark jumping.  That's what prompted me to slide some heat-shrink-wrap over the posts on my Z1 (see above pictures). That was several thousand miles ago and I haven't had any issues since.  I've also never had any issues with those screws loosening.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 25 Aug 2022 13:38 #872845

  • TheTrout
  • TheTrout's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • Posts: 170
  • Thank you received: 55
I guess it could not hurt to shrink wrap the posts anyway.  My problem right now is finding a screw drive to get them off.  Not sure how I did that before.  What are the coils to use in place of the dyna green coils, suggestions?
1978 KZ1000B2

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Wired George coil mod w/ Dyna S - Only 10.5 volts 25 Aug 2022 15:20 #872852

  • Scirocco
  • Scirocco's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Never change a running system
  • Posts: 3926
  • Thank you received: 1899
I don´t know if no one come up with the idea to made some simple brackets that gives you a lot of space?!?!

 
 
Attachments:

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Powered by Kunena Forum