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26 Apr 2009 19:44 - 26 Apr 2009 19:48 #285522 by TeK9iNe
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Isn't the engine supposed to be a little rich at idle...? For cooling purposes?


according to mikuni (i think thats where I got this...)

..Or is this whats happening here, when you tune this way, at idle...

I confuzzled! :laugh:

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27 Apr 2009 05:37 #285628 by Old Man Rock
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The problem I see with your diagram is you have to be at cruising speed for the correct 14.7:1 mixture to be obtained ....

You want this at idle and throughout all your ranges...

Excerpt out of the color tune literature...

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

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27 Apr 2009 19:23 #285839 by Tony
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I ordered a colortune from Morgan Carbtune , the same place I bought my carbtune from.
I order it on the 17 of April and it showed up today, Apr.27.
56 dollars including delivery.

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28 Apr 2009 05:49 - 28 Apr 2009 05:49 #285941 by Old Man Rock
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Yup...

Did you get a MORGAN Carb Sync (vacuum) as well, if so, You're really going to love that MORGAN unit.....

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

Phoenix, Az
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28 Apr 2009 07:54 #285961 by TeK9iNe
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Old Man Rock wrote:

The problem I see with your diagram is you have to be at cruising speed for the correct 14.7:1 mixture to be obtained ....

You want this at idle and throughout all your ranges...


WOW! Theres alot of diferent opinions out there on the internet... my mechanic had all sorts too.
So I'm told now, my diagram above is wrong for idle and WOT, by more than a few people. :P

So with this setup, your achieving stoich throughout the entire throttle range. ;)

More and more, I'm hearing that a AFR of 12-13 is what will achieve the most HP at WOT.

...but, I don't know.:blink: Is that what the colortune thingy is helping you do? Or just stoich? Maybe I should be asking MORGAN! :woohoo:

...my 2 cents... this would keep things VERY clean inside that pretty engine... how often do I WOT? not much.

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28 Apr 2009 07:57 #285964 by Tony
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I purchased a morgan carb sync a few years ago. It works well.

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28 Apr 2009 08:56 #285979 by Old Man Rock
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Tek9....

Is that what the colortune thingy is helping you do?
Exactly! ;) At idle, you're calibrating your carbs for the correct mixture at idle which works throughout your entire range.

As you hit the throttle you'll see the ignition flame go predominantly yellowish which is expected for your adding fuel :ohmy: :woohoo:

Of course, (entire range) also depends on ideal/correct jetting...

NOTE: Via keihin literautre in my case, find the ideal jet configurations for hp then go up one size in main jet! Translation, you want to be more rich then lean!!! ;)

Or just stoich? :huh: :dry: :blink: :laugh:
Not sure what this is.....

Is this polish humor or something? :laugh:

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

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28 Apr 2009 17:12 #286044 by Tony
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It's been about 20 yrs or so since I studied that and my memory isn't as good as it used to be but Im pretty sure he's referring to Stoichiometric Combustion. It's the ideal combustion process during which a fuel is burned completely.

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28 Apr 2009 21:06 #286114 by TeK9iNe
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:laugh: Yeah, Stoichiometric is what I meant. 14.7:1 Air:Fuel Ratio.

OK, I think I get how this thing works now. I'd like to tinker with one myself.

I think I just might wait and get a Wideband O2 sensor setup later... maybe.

:huh: :dry: :P

Redneck Rejet: Duktape or some o da arr felter to "richner' up" :) :laugh: :woohoo:

Cheers an thanks.

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10 May 2009 06:06 - 10 May 2009 06:08 #289756 by Old Man Rock
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Came across a different/better GUNSON color chart for tuning....

Take note of the second test procedure.... Ahhhhhhhh!
Now this made a difference where previously, a slow twist would still leave me a little yellow where it should stay bunson blueish.....

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

Phoenix, Az
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10 May 2009 06:50 #289768 by bill_wilcox100
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Thanks OMR...

I tried to read this on my screen and then tried printing it on my laser printer and reading it... but it was not clear enough for my vintage eyes.

Any chance of getting a really high resolution colour scan and putting it in a convenient place here on the site?

Looks a lot better than the instructions I recently got with my new Gunson Colortune. Too bad they cut back on their documentation quality like that.

Best of success. :)

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10 May 2009 07:19 - 10 May 2009 07:20 #289793 by Old Man Rock
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1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

Phoenix, Az
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