Hydro clutch or pmc easy clutch kit?

baldy110 wrote: The 650 has the ball bearing style, the good one. I've had aftermarket cables last as long as OEM one's. It's all about cleaning and lubing it regularly. I have over 160,000 miles on my KZ650 and during that time it's broken one cable, the original OEM one. It snapped at the lever end at around 45,000 miles. It was my fault and I wasn't lubing it as I should have, I replaced it with aftermarket and it's still on the bike but I've taken good care of that one.
And yes Ed the 1000 cc bikes are harder to pull due to the sucky nylon acuator.

The early 650 use the helix actuator which isn't nearly as smooth as the later type ball and ramp type.

This is the type I was thinking about.
Steve
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This is the 350 Honda type I was talking about in a earlier thread with the dredded POP sound then no clutch at all
Steve
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The PMC looks the same only larger.

Nessism wrote:

baldy110 wrote: The 650 has the ball bearing style, the good one. I've had aftermarket cables last as long as OEM one's. It's all about cleaning and lubing it regularly. I have over 160,000 miles on my KZ650 and during that time it's broken one cable, the original OEM one. It snapped at the lever end at around 45,000 miles. It was my fault and I wasn't lubing it as I should have, I replaced it with aftermarket and it's still on the bike but I've taken good care of that one.
And yes Ed the 1000 cc bikes are harder to pull due to the sucky nylon acuator.

The early 650 use the helix actuator which isn't nearly as smooth as the later type ball and ramp type.

Ed, is this the kind I just bought? Looks longer and more complex to me. Shows mine will be here on Saturday.
Steve

SWest wrote:

Nessism wrote:

baldy110 wrote: The 650 has the ball bearing style, the good one. I've had aftermarket cables last as long as OEM one's. It's all about cleaning and lubing it regularly. I have over 160,000 miles on my KZ650 and during that time it's broken one cable, the original OEM one. It snapped at the lever end at around 45,000 miles. It was my fault and I wasn't lubing it as I should have, I replaced it with aftermarket and it's still on the bike but I've taken good care of that one.
And yes Ed the 1000 cc bikes are harder to pull due to the sucky nylon acuator.

The early 650 use the helix actuator which isn't nearly as smooth as the later type ball and ramp type.

Ed, is this the kind I just bought? Looks longer and more complex to me. Shows mine will be here on Saturday.
Steve

That looks like the type my 1977 KZ650-C1 has, but I don't know if it will fit properly in a KZ1000. Ed

Nessism wrote:

baldy110 wrote: The 650 has the ball bearing style, the good one. I've had aftermarket cables last as long as OEM one's. It's all about cleaning and lubing it regularly. I have over 160,000 miles on my KZ650 and during that time it's broken one cable, the original OEM one. It snapped at the lever end at around 45,000 miles. It was my fault and I wasn't lubing it as I should have, I replaced it with aftermarket and it's still on the bike but I've taken good care of that one.
And yes Ed the 1000 cc bikes are harder to pull due to the sucky nylon acuator.

The early 650 use the helix actuator which isn't nearly as smooth as the later type ball and ramp type.

Which one are you showing in the included diagram. The early “helix” or the better “ball and ramp”?

No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationMy question was to Ed N. The one I ordered looks smaller and is the part number mentioned in this thread.
Steve

Looks like they're all the same. This one is even cheaper. I guess we'll see on Saturday.
Just the inner parts. :lol:

Steve,

Your top photo shows a ramp and ball type and the lower down photos show the helix.

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Nessism wrote: Steve,

Your top photo shows a ramp and ball type and the lower down photos show the helix.

The top pic is a helix too. You can see the tabs from the inner retainer.


Fun stuff to assemble. Do not do this when in a hurry, it will no go well. :woohoo:

I had a sneaky hunch this was the case. Mine will be here today. It's GOT TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT I"VE BEEN DEALING WITH ALL THESE YEARS.
BTW, The ramp and ball items are available at a good price here.
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I suspect they will have that dreaded POP and no clutch issue. I can't tell you how many times it left me stranded on my Honda. Yeah the clutch was easy to pull and when I got my Z1 I missed it. I had the old one laying around thinking I could adapt it but never did. :whistle:
Hopefully this one will work better and be as dependable as the one I have.
Steve

Ed was right. It is a helix type and it fits.
Steve

So with some time on my hands I went surfing the net regarding these clutch actuators. I would appear that on several bikes Kawasaki had two different versions of clutch actuators. One was a (3) ball bearing set up which for all intents looks very much like the PMC actuator I bought and installed in my '77 KZ-1000. The other one has ( smaller ball bearings in it and a helix of sorts that the balls ride on. Of the two designs which is considered the better one? The one with the 8 ball bearings and helix looks like a trip to take apart and put back together for maintenance. I think I will leave well enough alone and leave the PMC actuator in my bike unless there is some over riding reason to change it.
Rick H.