Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

29 Apr 2015 15:24
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Restoring clearance on the valves may require moving two shim sizes. You might want to keep this in mind when placing your shim order. Also, after installing a thinner shim make sure to double check the clearance to confirm that you fixed the problem.

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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

29 Apr 2015 15:29
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So for the 650 it's more complicated, but I don't need any special tools other than a caliper to measure the shims (assuming the etched measurement is worn off)? I don't want to waste money on unneeded shims so I suppose I'll remove, measure, order then install/remeasure?
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

29 Apr 2015 18:15 - 29 Apr 2015 18:19
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gcphoto wrote: I don't want to waste money on unneeded shims so I suppose I'll remove, measure, order then install/remeasure?

Your problem is the "0" clearance valves. The real reading is not likely zero, but some negative number that feeler gauges can't measure.

When you take the shims out, you can measure (or read) what shims you have. But then you will be guessing how much thinner they need to be to start picking up a gap again.

Aside from having a "shim kit" at hand, I can think that if you had just one real thin shim, placed it in a "0" valve, then you will get a reading to math out the real shim it needs.
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

29 Apr 2015 21:30
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That's one way of doing it. I like to have the next sizes down for future use. Odds are you will need one of the smaller ones, perhaps more.
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

29 Apr 2015 23:22
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It's likely you have to do the valve check twice on the valves that measure 0. As mentioned use a thinner shim than you think to get a positive number as a gap then calculate what you really need as a shim. I would use a decent magnet if you don't have a suction device.
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

30 Apr 2015 04:13
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If you go to Wiredgeorge's site he has the 77 kz650 shop manual in his downloads on page 5 of the Kawasaki files
www.vintagebikeforum.org/
You will probably have to join to see it though, no big deal
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

30 Apr 2015 08:33
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bluezbike wrote: I.... I would use a decent magnet if you don't have a suction device.
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There is a theoretical risk bringing magnets around engine parts.

In this instance, if a shim becomes magnetized from being in proximity of a magnet, then it will pick up any metal out of the oil and hold on to it, then the cam will swing by and wear on the metal..in theory.

I don't know how big a risk this is in the real world, but I demagnetize any tools I use around the shims & cams as standard practice.
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

30 Apr 2015 13:03
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Did not realize it might be a problem, thank you......what do you do to demagnetize your tools?
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

30 Apr 2015 13:22
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Pulling a shim out with a small magnet isn't a problem. If it worries you then you can use tweezers. I for one am not that paranoid.
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

30 Apr 2015 17:35 - 30 Apr 2015 17:36
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This is coming from the guy who made his own shims out of beer cans. :laugh:
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

30 Apr 2015 17:39
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Don't give a false impression. I shimmed up my cams with beer can shims. If you're going to quote me PLS get it right. :woohoo:
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Re: Valve clearance/carbon deposit on plugs

30 Apr 2015 17:46
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bluezbike wrote: Did not realize it might be a problem, thank you......what do you do to demagnetize your tools?

You probably recognize it; sold an most HW stores. $5 thing for the tool box.



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