Newly rebuilt KZ1000P engine will not rev...

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02 Feb 2013 18:14 #570429 by roman_dog
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So I rechecked the valve clearance numbers, they were all within tolerance (0.002"-0.006"), however I played musical shims with them and got most of them between 0.003" and 0.005". All but one, so I need a new shim. I went to my local Kawasaki store to get one, and instead got into a heated argument about the validity of using thousandths of an inch for precise measurements on Kawasaki shims. He refused to measure a 245 shim for me to tell me what it was in thousandths, so I bought it anyway. Too thin, I need a 250, which they didn't have. Gotta wait till Tuesday when my machine shop opens and I'll get one from them. Anyway, here are the clearances:

1 2 3 4
ex .005 .004 .003 .004
in .003 .003 .004 <.002

Once I get that proper shim installed I'll take a video and try plugging all the vacuum. I'll also try checking those exhaust pipes.

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03 Feb 2013 21:23 #570623 by farmer1
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I dont know much about CV carbs . But I do know that this sound like the problem I had with my mk2 when I had the vacum line from the carb to the fuel tap and the breather line hooked together instead of the two vacum lines. It would start and idle but nothing above an idle . Until I put it right . Two vacum line together and one breather.

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05 Feb 2013 18:57 #570919 by roman_dog
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Alright, got that new shim. All the numbers are as above minus #4 intake, its now sitting at 0.005". Put it all back together and fired it up, still idles like hell, but I didn't expect otherwise. Let it warm up and sprayed some water on the headers, #1 and #2 steamed the water off instantly, #3 and #4 didn't. Not sure what to think here, since 1 and 4 fire off the same coil, same with 2 and 3. I'm getting spark, but is there a better way to check it than grounding the plug and watching it? Here's a video.


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05 Feb 2013 19:52 #570929 by MFolks
The spark should be hot,& blue. Still got the stock sparkplug caps? They contain a non-serviceable 5000 ohm resistor that will go bad afrom heat,vibration and age.

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(Briggs & Stratton ignition tester)

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05 Feb 2013 22:39 #570958 by roman_dog
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I had another diagnostic idea, but now I'm even more confused than before. So I mentioned that #3 & 4 headers were not boiling off the water, well I pulled the plugs to confirmed spark and idled the motor with the plugs just grounded against the head. It sounded the same. Then I reversed the process with the #1 & 2 plugs out, same story. It still idles like hell, but it sounds the same as with all 4 plugs installed. Any ideas?

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05 Feb 2013 23:24 #570978 by Motor Head
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watching the new video, well it really sounds rough. Without the ex hooked up or the airbox, i would bet its really lean.
So a couple of things, I know both yourself and this shop went through the carbs. Can you tell us What the Idle Mixture Screws are set at, how many turns out from lightly seated. They are actually under a small metal plug which has to be removed to adjust them. this should have been done to clean the carbs thoroughly, is why I'm asking. these screws would be removed for cleaning, checking that the O-ring on the screw is serviceable or replaced.
Then the spark. I'd at the very minimum replace the plug wires. You can buy it by the foot at the auto parts store for cheap, like .80 a foot. It screws into the coil and plug wire cap. Using a Ohm meter on the Plug Wire caps and the Ignition coils would be a good Idea. Do you have a DVOM (Digital Volt Ohm Meter)?
You can swap the coils right to left etc, to see if the issue moves.

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05 Feb 2013 23:38 #570982 by Patton
:unsure: Ignition coils properly connected?



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05 Feb 2013 23:47 #570983 by 650ed
You have no exhaust system other than an open pipe and no air filtration. That cannot be helping the engine idle smoothly. I would put the air filtration back on and finish installing the exhaust system then tune it. Ed

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06 Feb 2013 19:44 #571122 by roman_dog
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Alright guys, I've had a small breakthrough. The problem isn't the carbs or the spark, its the wiring bringing it all together. As I've stated, I yanked the stock harness and fabbed up my own, naturally I ran into a few problems with this, but I was able to make it work, kinda. Today I was rechecking all the wiring schematics and decided to reroute some of the grounds. The stock setup has the Blk/Y wire from the the IC ignitor mating with the Blk wire of the regulator, this is the ground. I disconnected the blk/y from the regulator and placed it directly to ground and it revved up! Now I have the opposite problem, it revs out of control when I do this. Any wiring gurus out there that might know whats up? I also played with the idle mix screws, but it slow the revving at all. Getting closer!

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06 Feb 2013 22:43 #571149 by roman_dog
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Alright guys, it was that damn ground wire. It was grounded enough to give me spark, but not good enough to run properly. It almost sounds proper now, I think when I rejet it and synch the carbs, I can get the idle down, right now it sits at 3500 RPM. Thanks for all the help everyone, I learned a ton from all your posts. Here's a video of how she sounds now:


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07 Feb 2013 00:06 #571171 by donthaveakawman
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looks like there is no air filter or baffle.

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07 Feb 2013 05:01 #571247 by donthaveakawman
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am I missing something, is there no choke flap in the first video?

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