Engine Just Blew??

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07 Aug 2009 17:08 #312289 by 79MKII
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I can't believe it, but my valve cover gasket blew again!! It lasted quite a while this time but that's 2 in only 180 miles. I thought the sanding and hi-tac would do the trick, but I think those super thin blue gaskets are just too thin. They are only half as thick as my old gasket and probably 1/4 the thickness of the old stock rubber gasket.

Does anyone know of a source for a good quality valve cover gasket? The factory Kaw part lists at $66 but I'd pay it if I knew it was the old thick rubber type. I can't seem to find a good one around anymore. The Vesrah brand gaskets are quite a bit thicker but not nearly as thick as the original.

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250

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07 Aug 2009 17:50 #312296 by TerryK
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Scrap that chrome cover. I had one and had the same problem, even after I roughed it up. Also, use the thick, fiber gaskets and it should eliminate your problem. If it still persists, take a sharp center punch and put a small dimple about every inch all the way around the mating surface of the cover. This raises a little circle of aluminum a few thou high that grips the gasket. If all this fails, try venting the cover itself with a brass bung and a long hose.

1977 KZ1000
GSXR swingarm and rear brake
WM6 rear Akront rim
Wiseco 1075c pistons
33 smoothbores
stage 3 Web Cams
Head porting
Dyna S ignition
Lockhart oil cooler
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1980 Z1R drag bike
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38 Flatslides, .
500' cams
7" slick
Dyan 4000 SP ignition
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07 Aug 2009 19:54 #312315 by avidflyguy
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thats a beautiful bike man, i had an 80 MKII, i should have never sold it, tried to track it down to maybe buy it back, but no luck.

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07 Aug 2009 20:07 #312318 by nads.com
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make sure the cam tower isnt holding the cover up

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07 Aug 2009 20:14 - 07 Aug 2009 20:17 #312321 by Patton
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79MKII wrote:

...valve cover gasket blew...that's 2 in only 180 miles. I thought the sanding and hi-tac would do the trick, but I think those super thin blue gaskets are just too thin. They are only half as thick as my old gasket and probably 1/4 the thickness of the old stock rubber gasket.

Does anyone know of a source for a good quality valve cover gasket? The factory Kaw part lists at $66 but I'd pay it if I knew it was the old thick rubber type. I can't seem to find a good one around anymore. The Vesrah brand gaskets are quite a bit thicker but not nearly as thick as the original.


On my Z1, am well satisfied with the valve cover gasket from Z1E.

Valve cover gasket

It's relatively inexpensive, and seems pretty thick, but it is blue, and I don't know the brand.

In any event, it installed easily (completely dry install), laid nice and flat, and hasn't leaked at all after a thousand or so hard hot miles.

Remains dry and blue around the edges.

Good Luck! :)

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07 Aug 2009 21:44 - 07 Aug 2009 21:48 #312328 by bountyhunter
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79MKII wrote:

I can't believe it, but my valve cover gasket blew again!! It lasted quite a while this time but that's 2 in only 180 miles. I thought the sanding and hi-tac would do the trick, but I think those super thin blue gaskets are just too thin. They are only half as thick as my old gasket and probably 1/4 the thickness of the old stock rubber gasket.

Does anyone know of a source for a good quality valve cover gasket?

Auto Zone. I used their gasket material that is 1/32" thick, I believe it is labeled vulcanized fiber material or something like that (it's rubberized paper). I think it has a number like N8904 or similar on the back. I used it for both the cylinder base gasket and valve cover gasket and it has held up very well for two years after the Athena gaskets failed almost immediately after installation.

I have also found a thin bead from a tube of the black ultra high temp gasket maker will hold the gasket very well. Stays pliable, easy to remove.

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08 Aug 2009 04:08 #312348 by 79MKII
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bountyhunter wrote:

...Auto Zone. I used their gasket material that is 1/32" thick, I believe it is labeled vulcanized fiber material or something like that (it's rubberized paper). I think it has a number like N8904 or similar on the back. I used it for both the cylinder base gasket and valve cover gasket and it has held up very well for two years after the Athena gaskets failed almost immediately after installation.

I have also found a thin bead from a tube of the black ultra high temp gasket maker will hold the gasket very well. Stays pliable, easy to remove.


Did you cut your own gaskets?

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250

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08 Aug 2009 04:19 #312350 by mark1122
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u should consider increasing the crankcase vent area, if u havent already. with bigger pistons u have more crankcase preasure. this is a common problem for leaks on the old Z's.

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08 Aug 2009 04:23 #312351 by 79MKII
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mark1122 wrote:

u should consider increasing the crankcase vent area, if u havent already. with bigger pistons u have more crankcase preasure. this is a common problem for leaks on the old Z's.


I think you're right. I'm hoping the pressure drops as the engine breaks in and has less blow by?? I still only have 180 miles on the 1261cc rebuild. I have since added a vent to the oil fill cap and thought it was the trick - guess not!

Is there a common mod for the stock crankcase breather to open it up?

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250

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08 Aug 2009 09:16 #312386 by TerryK
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TerryK wrote:

Scrap that chrome cover. I had one and had the same problem, even after I roughed it up. Also, use the thick, fiber gaskets and it should eliminate your problem. If it still persists, take a sharp center punch and put a small dimple about every inch all the way around the mating surface of the cover. This raises a little circle of aluminum a few thou high that grips the gasket. If all this fails, try venting the cover itself with a brass bung and a long hose.


1977 KZ1000
GSXR swingarm and rear brake
WM6 rear Akront rim
Wiseco 1075c pistons
33 smoothbores
stage 3 Web Cams
Head porting
Dyna S ignition
Lockhart oil cooler
Wiseco header



1980 Z1R drag bike
1200cc
38 Flatslides, .
500' cams
7" slick
Dyan 4000 SP ignition
etc

Ontario, Canada

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08 Aug 2009 09:22 - 08 Aug 2009 09:24 #312387 by 79MKII
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TerryK wrote:

TerryK wrote:

Scrap that chrome cover. I had one and had the same problem, even after I roughed it up. Also, use the thick, fiber gaskets and it should eliminate your problem. If it still persists, take a sharp center punch and put a small dimple about every inch all the way around the mating surface of the cover. This raises a little circle of aluminum a few thou high that grips the gasket. If all this fails, try venting the cover itself with a brass bung and a long hose.


Prior to this most recent rebuild, my chrome cover made it 20 years without a drop of oil leaking - that was with a much thicker gasket though. I currently have vents at the crankcase breather and the oil fill. I might have to add another on the valve cover as you suggest.

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250
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08 Aug 2009 09:46 #312392 by Jeff.Saunders
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Have you replaced the cam cap bolts? Allen head bolts sit too high and the valve cover can hit on the tops of them. If this happens, the gasket isn't being compressed properly.

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