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22 Jan 2014 18:53 #619700 by steell
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z1kzonly wrote: WTF :ohmy: You'll shoot your eye out kid! :lol:
You need alot finer than that. Get glass measured in microns not grit.
And at least 80-90 PSI

one-millionth of a metre (or one-thousandth of a millimetre, 0.001 mm, or about 0.000039 inch)

Where in the world do you get glass bead measured in microns?

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22 Jan 2014 21:07 #619706 by MDawnz1
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The LAST time you run it before taking it apart,
with the bike warmed up,AND RUNNING, REV it up,
spray water from a spray bottle into the carbs.
Works best with pods you can take off first.

The water flashes into high pressure steam ,
Cleans piston tops , valves and ex. ports to almost like new,,,,,,,,
Well not quite ,but almost no scraping after tare down

PS. an old racers trick is to paint the piston tops with a thin coat of VHT .
you just get a very thin layer of carbon and it cleans up much easier next time.

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22 Jan 2014 22:20 #619711 by DoctoRot
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MDawnz1 wrote: The LAST time you run it before taking it apart,
with the bike warmed up,AND RUNNING, REV it up,
spray water from a spray bottle into the carbs.
Works best with pods you can take off first.

The water flashes into high pressure steam ,
Cleans piston tops , valves and ex. ports to almost like new,,,,,,,,
Well not quite ,but almost no scraping after tare down

PS. an old racers trick is to paint the piston tops with a thin coat of VHT .
you just get a very thin layer of carbon and it cleans up much easier next time.

Mike .


that makes total sense. boiling water removes gunk from carbs really well, so why wouldn't it work on an engine? gonna have to remember that trick.

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23 Jan 2014 06:24 #619723 by Kidkawie
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Oven cleaner, zip strip, old style Permatex spray gasket remover takes off carbon.

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23 Jan 2014 12:27 #619774 by guitargeek
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There was a thread, years ago, about squirting water into a running engine.

I've had really good luck with soda blasting. I like the peace of mind, not having to worry if I cleaned all the media out. Just a few glass beads could wreak havoc on their way to the oil filter.


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23 Jan 2014 12:44 #619779 by turboking
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If your turbo has water injection the pistons, ports, chambers and valves look like new when you have to take it apart........ ;) ;) B) but yes if I have carbon to remove I use a powdered glass bead :S (used till it's dust) :woohoo:

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23 Jan 2014 14:54 #619796 by z1kzonly
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steell wrote:

z1kzonly wrote: WTF :ohmy: You'll shoot your eye out kid! :lol:
You need alot finer than that. Get glass measured in microns not grit.
And at least 80-90 PSI

one-millionth of a metre (or one-thousandth of a millimetre, 0.001 mm, or about 0.000039 inch)

Where in the world do you get glass bead measured in microns?

Micron, Mil, somethin like that? This place has 10 different grades of it. Heck, a 50 pound bag, lasts me 5 years. So it's been awhile. And It is close to home. Pick it up at the door.
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23 Jan 2014 15:10 #619803 by z1kzonly
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Hey 4, I knew you would like that, were on the same page!.
Speaking of unsafe, I had an unsafe Kawi KZ dirt drag bike years ago.
I added beer and other stuff to it, then had a blast! And I lived to tell about it.
I posted the pic a couple of years ago. You want the unsafe details, I'll share them.
Nothing bad or out of line. Actually quite koool!

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26 Jan 2014 13:10 #620124 by MDawnz1
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Crushed shell media (like walnut) works well for inside the engine parts where you don't want abrasives left over in the engine.
It might take longer BUT its safe as heck , you cant hurt parts , all it will do is clean the part,
Also it might work in a blaster without having to change the nozzle .

Plus its bio.

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26 Jan 2014 13:55 #620129 by 4TheKZ1000
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I tried ALUMINUM OXIDE in the cabinet.

Forget it.

Just a friggen mess with a black residue all over the inside of cabinet. Im going to use soda or glass and if it needs more than that.....going to my bud Craig to do it.

My compressor is about 20 to 30 psi from getting the job done. I need 100 psi, but my compressor can only do 75 psi constantly takes way to long to get stuff done.

Do you need a different gun or tip to use soda?

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31 Jan 2014 20:50 #620765 by MDawnz1
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Do you need a different gun or tip to use soda?

Yes ,,, much smaller tip (nozzle) same gun.
BUT a smaller nozzle means LESS CFM
So a not quit big enough compressor might keep up with it.

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