KZ650 Sleeper Build (KZ1000 engine transplant)

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Re: KZ650 Sleeper Build (KZ1000 engine transplant)

Yesterday 10:06
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I would be using the same mounting holes, bolts, and spacers.  They will bolt to a bracket I'll make attached to the frame.  Similar to Scirocco's first picture (behind the side cover).  Or I may decide to leave well enough alone!
 
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Re: KZ650 Sleeper Build (KZ1000 engine transplant)

Yesterday 10:30 - Yesterday 10:31
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I have never owned a Z1 but I have ridden them quite a few times. I like the torque the engine makes over the 650/750 but the bikes in general sit too high and I feel "small" on them. Even if a 1000 is lowered it is still heavier and physically bigger than a 650. I am only 5' 5" tall so I am more at home on the smaller bikes, a few of my 650's have lowered suspension.

The 650 had always been my preferred street bike but the engine just lacks low end grunt compared to the bigger engines. Even my 831cc 650 is no match to a worked on 1000. The big heavy crank just seems to have the perfect stroke for bigger pistons (over 70mm) and the 650/750 will never be able to replicate that. I have already built bigger version 650/750 engines and the power output is not the same.

I had a spare 1000 engine so I thought this would be my chance to make a torque monster that fits me physically.


Thanks for the explanation, it all makes sense to me: Seat height is a criterion! I`ve mostly thought, you all do that about shorter wheelbase and maybe better handling in curves, in combination with the stronger engine..
(But I rarely had to think about seatheigh, unless I was a bit too tall on some classic race bikes with my 6`1",...like on my former Bevel Ducati 900 MHR and 900 SS, where I always had to fold myself up a bit ;-)

And I completely agree with you: the Z1 engine is a great engine, as is the Z1000...Í´ve been riding those things since 1979 and still love them!Personally, I don't really like the 650cc engine with its plain bearings and the engine concept, I prefer roller bearing engines on my oldschool bikes ;-)
 
 
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Re: KZ650 Sleeper Build (KZ1000 engine transplant)

Yesterday 14:38
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Yeah, I am tip toes on a stock Z1 and it does not feel great when stopped on one foot. Once I get going its OK, and I can ride just about anything but prefer a smaller lighter bike.

Both the Z1 and the KZ650 were designed by the same engineer at Kawasaki. The 650 had a bunch of improvements with lessons learned on the Z1 including the frame design and a few things on the engine design. There are merits to both engine designs and without exploring those differences Kawasaki motorcycles would be drastically different today.
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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Re: KZ650 Sleeper Build (KZ1000 engine transplant)

Yesterday 15:57
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And a big block motor in the smaller frame is what hot rods are all about!   
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Re: KZ650 Sleeper Build (KZ1000 engine transplant)

Yesterday 16:28
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And a big block motor in the smaller frame is what hot rods are all about!   
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Re: KZ650 Sleeper Build (KZ1000 engine transplant)

Today 22:30
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Don't get me wrong: The 650 is certainly a more "modern" bike compared to the Z1, with a much better frame construct, and I really like its design, especially the first series in green,... but they was always "too small" for me.( I prefer 1500 mm wheelbase on all my bikes), And even though, for example, the under-mounted shims are the "safer" option, but I simply prefer to leave the camshafts in place when adjusting the valves and do the job from above. But everyone has their favorites.
Anyway, I really admire your great work with these engine transplants!
 
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