Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

07 Sep 2025 17:04 - 07 Sep 2025 17:06
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@SnyperX I just found this thread but have and am still having all of the exact same issues you describe here with my GPz750. Cold cylinder #2, hanging revs once I was finally able to get it to start and idle, charging issues, and currently I'm fighting poor running just off idle. 

I'll be keeping a close eye to your progress to see if you find a resolution that I can apply as well. 

For my hanging revs, I found a combination of the throttle cable binding up and not fully returning, and the angle of the throttle cable holder bracket needed tweaked. 

Best of luck on your project!


 
I am going to get back at this tonight. Going to pull the carbs again and check that all the o-rings are seated correctly. Hopefully it's just a carb assembly issue after I cleaned them again because of the cold #2.
Pulled the carbs tonight and went ver them Checked the float bowl gaskets and as well as the float needle diaphragm (?) gaskets on the other side. All looked fine and screws were all tight. Reinstalled the carbs and attempted to start and now cylinders 2 and 3 were cold and seemed to not be firing. So frustrated at this point. Just wanted to have the bike running decent by Spring and its been nothing but a cluster so far........ I had it running decent for a couple days and that has been it since owning the bike for almost a year now. :-(
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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

07 Sep 2025 22:51
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I'm right there with you on the frustration! I have had my bike for just over 9 years, bought it running and then stored it away during a few moves and finally brought it out to get it back on the road spring of 2024. It has been nothing but trouble and once I figure out one issue, there's another keeping me from riding. But I've come to enjoy learning about this old motorcycle and spending time wrenching on it. Guess I'm just talking myself into seeing positives in all the madness 

Wish I had some technical suggestions but seeing as we're both struggling, I will leave it to the much more knowledgeable guys. One thing I do know is we'll figure these things out and while cruising down the road, think back and have a chuckle at how ready to quit we were at one point. Keep at it!
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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

08 Sep 2025 00:23
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@SnyperX I just found this thread but have and am still having all of the exact same issues you describe here with my GPz750. Cold cylinder #2, hanging revs once I was finally able to get it to start and idle, charging issues, and currently I'm fighting poor running just off idle. 

I'll be keeping a close eye to your progress to see if you find a resolution that I can apply as well. 

For my hanging revs, I found a combination of the throttle cable binding up and not fully returning, and the angle of the throttle cable holder bracket needed tweaked. 

Best of luck on your project!



 
I am going to get back at this tonight. Going to pull the carbs again and check that all the o-rings are seated correctly. Hopefully it's just a carb assembly issue after I cleaned them again because of the cold #2.
Pulled the carbs tonight and went ver them Checked the float bowl gaskets and as well as the float needle diaphragm (?) gaskets on the other side. All looked fine and screws were all tight. Reinstalled the carbs and attempted to start and now cylinders 2 and 3 were cold and seemed to not be firing. So frustrated at this point. Just wanted to have the bike running decent by Spring and its been nothing but a cluster so far........ I had it running decent for a couple days and that has been it since owning the bike for almost a year now. :-(
#2 & #3 share the same ignition coil so your issue may be related to that rather than fuel (did you consider Nessism's kind offer ref your carbs ?)

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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

08 Sep 2025 09:28 - 08 Sep 2025 09:51
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@SnyperX I just found this thread but have and am still having all of the exact same issues you describe here with my GPz750. Cold cylinder #2, hanging revs once I was finally able to get it to start and idle, charging issues, and currently I'm fighting poor running just off idle. 

I'll be keeping a close eye to your progress to see if you find a resolution that I can apply as well. 

For my hanging revs, I found a combination of the throttle cable binding up and not fully returning, and the angle of the throttle cable holder bracket needed tweaked. 

Best of luck on your project!





 
I am going to get back at this tonight. Going to pull the carbs again and check that all the o-rings are seated correctly. Hopefully it's just a carb assembly issue after I cleaned them again because of the cold #2.
Pulled the carbs tonight and went ver them Checked the float bowl gaskets and as well as the float needle diaphragm (?) gaskets on the other side. All looked fine and screws were all tight. Reinstalled the carbs and attempted to start and now cylinders 2 and 3 were cold and seemed to not be firing. So frustrated at this point. Just wanted to have the bike running decent by Spring and its been nothing but a cluster so far........ I had it running decent for a couple days and that has been it since owning the bike for almost a year now. :-(
#2 & #3 share the same ignition coil so your issue may be related to that rather than fuel (did you consider Nessism's kind offer ref your carbs ?)
I've checked the resistance of the coils multiple times now and both are perfect in that department. Also did the wiredgeorge bypass. Maybe I pick up a pair of coils and fresh wires from Z1 and replace them regardless for good measure. They are the original coils/wires.
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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

08 Sep 2025 10:12
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I would suggest referring to the manual ref testing the pick up coil and igniter for the electronic ignition (the coil won't spark if the igniter doesn't tell it to)

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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

08 Sep 2025 10:20
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Coils rarely fail.  Sometimes the plug caps do, or the wires can gain resistance at the contact points.  If you lay a spark plug against the engine, and you can see a reasonable spark out of each plug, you are most likely fine in that regard.
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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

08 Sep 2025 12:55 - 08 Sep 2025 13:32
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Coils rarely fail.  Sometimes the plug caps do, or the wires can gain resistance at the contact points.  If you lay a spark plug against the engine, and you can see a reasonable spark out of each plug, you are most likely fine in that regard.
Pulled plugs 2 and 3, grounded on engine block hit the start button. Saw two nice almost white sparks on the both plugs. I may at least replace the plug wires since the current ones are feeling pretty stiff and crusty.
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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

08 Sep 2025 13:26
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Open the drain screws on 2 & 3, and make sure the bowls are full?  

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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

08 Sep 2025 13:29 - 08 Sep 2025 13:33
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Open the drain screws on 2 & 3, and make sure the bowls are full?  
Yup, did that and got about the same amount of fuel out of each. Right now the carbs are back off the bike and I am going over 2 and 3. So far all the orifices you mentioned I needed to make sure where clean before are still open and can see daylight. Also reset the pilot screw to 2.5 turns out on each carb.
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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

09 Sep 2025 09:52
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Not sure what to suggest, grasping at straws.

When in doubt, go back to basics.

Compression: you need at least 100 psi per cylinder.  100 is low, but it should be enough to fire the cylinder.  Cam timing needs to be correct.  Double check.

Spark: Spark doesn't need to be overly strong, but it needs to be there, and at the proper timing.  Your bike has Kawasaki's excellent electronic ignition.  If you see a spark when grounding the plug, as you have mentioned, that should be good enough to make each cylinder fire.

Carbs:  From everything you have said, these are clean.  

But where does that leave us?  Everything is fine?  Apparently, not.  Something in the above areas is causing a problem.  From where we sit here, we can't help you much.  Something with the basics must be causing a problem.

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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

09 Sep 2025 11:47
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As Nessism said if you have the following it should fire
  • Air
  • Fuel
  • Compression
  • Spark
Have you thumb tested to check the slider diaphrams ?
Can you see through the airbox if the sliders are rising ?
Have you tried spraying easy start into the cold cylinders intakes through the air box ?

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Re: Cold Cylinder #2, '81 KZ750 LTD

09 Sep 2025 14:23
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Not sure what to suggest, grasping at straws.

When in doubt, go back to basics.

Compression: you need at least 100 psi per cylinder.  100 is low, but it should be enough to fire the cylinder.  Cam timing needs to be correct.  Double check.

Spark: Spark doesn't need to be overly strong, but it needs to be there, and at the proper timing.  Your bike has Kawasaki's excellent electronic ignition.  If you see a spark when grounding the plug, as you have mentioned, that should be good enough to make each cylinder fire.

Carbs:  From everything you have said, these are clean.  

But where does that leave us?  Everything is fine?  Apparently, not.  Something in the above areas is causing a problem.  From where we sit here, we can't help you much.  Something with the basics must be causing a problem.
As simple as the process is (fuel, air, spark) it sure is massively frustrating. LOL!!! So after pulling the carbs and going over cylinders 2 and 3 I remounted the carbs into the bike. I have the pilot screws set to 2.5 turns out from bottom. I was able to get it started and somewhat idling, but still having the run away RPMs when twisting the throttle. The other thing is that once the bike has been running and has gotten hot I find it almost impossible to get it to restart. Not sure what that is about. 

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