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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 09 Sep 2020 17:41 #834687

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Just picked up an 1982 CSR 650 and would like to really dig in this winter and do basic maintenance such as valve adjustments and carb rebuilds followed by synching.

I also own a pretty clean and nicely tuned 1979 KZ650. Can I assume cosmetics aside its pretty much the same bike? Engine and carb wise?

What do you kind folks suggest as a good but somewhat budget friendly carb synch tool?

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1978 KZ650 B2

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 09 Sep 2020 18:22 #834689

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On a budget, but not dirt cheap, the best in my opinion is still the mercury sticks if you can find them used somewhere. ..It could be impossible.

You can make one for almost free if you don't mind inconvenience.

Any really good, easy sync will cost a decent amount of money.

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 09 Sep 2020 20:14 #834693

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Mercury Carb stix are best, motion pro were good and reliable for years, but must be bought used. DON'T BUY THE NEW MOTION PRO CRAP! Made the list at #3 of the worst tools ever made out of 6,000,000. If buying new get the Morgan Carbtune out of England. Don't buy the new motion pro for sure. I could go on for hours about the motion pro, but will end it with DON'T EVEN THINK OF BUYING THIS FRICKING THING CALLED A TOOL.
321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 09 Sep 2020 20:41 #834695

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Best thing to do is to find a friend that has one and do a wrench day. Some one can hold the bag-o-gas while the other can do the adjustments.:laugh: :laugh:

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 09 Sep 2020 20:51 #834698

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Define "budget friendly." Ed
1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 09 Sep 2020 22:55 #834700

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Back in the day I made my own mercury gauges and they worked great. In these day and times I strongly recommend the Morgan Carb Tune. It's easy to work with and reliable. Much better than messing with some round vacuum gauges, which I've also used.

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 09 Sep 2020 22:56 #834701

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Will be opening a can of worms here but....

The manometer type - either mercury or other fluids - are self calibrating (as opposed to multiple dial types which may or may not be calibrated to each other at any given time). I use a Morgan carb tune but I've never check the calibration of the individual tubes/slugs against each other so don't really know how close they are.

Have also used the MotionPro unit and while I don't find anything wrong with it's design or performance, it's not a tool that I use every day - I've have found the few times I did go to use it, the fluid had dried up. I ended up having to keep spare bottles of fluid on hand. I probably should have just tossed the MP fluid and used transmission fluid or something like that.

Keep in mind, if you have CV carbs, synchronizing really only affects the idle (not that that's a bad thing), or perhaps more accurately: synchronizing has most effect on the idle.

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 09 Sep 2020 23:16 #834702

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Have a read through this thread there is some good pointers and advice. kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/613370-ca...uery?start=24#827581

Below is a post I made in that thread. Cheap as chips and 100% accurate.

"Guys, as I said I only borrowed the carb tune pro out of curiosity to see if they were as accurate as I remember the mercury ones being. They dont appear to be so without some trial and error set up. I moved onto the ball bearing hoop method after my original set died.
If anyone is unaware of this method I will explain with the aid of some pics.
The inner ring is sealed and the ball bearing hangs centrally under gravity and is your datum point. Pic 1
The outer ring is open at both ends. Attach one end to the base setting carb, normally number three. Attach the other end to carb one. Start the engine and adjust the idle to about 1500 /2000 rpm. If carb one is out of balance to carb 3 the outer ring ball bearing will swing to one side or the other depending on wether there is more or less vacuum. Pic 2.
Adjust your slide so that the outer ring ball bearing is back centrally directly under the ball bearing in the inner ring. As in Pic 1.
Do the same for carb 2 & 3 and 4 & 3. Your carbs are now perfectly in sync. Beautifully simple and 100%
Accurate."

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 10 Sep 2020 00:55 #834703

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Interesting. Need to make sure the ball bearing is big enough that it won't go through the vacuum port (sucking a ball bearing into the cylinder wouldn't be fun).

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 10 Sep 2020 01:03 #834704

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There is a piece of tube inside either side of the indicator ball bearing tube which has a smaller internal dimension than the ball bearing so the indicator ball bearing can not come out of the central portion of the outer indicator tube.
The inner tube is sealed and the ball bearing in the inner tube is just the datum indicator.
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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 10 Sep 2020 01:34 #834705

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Smart!

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Best carb synch tool on a budget please? 10 Sep 2020 01:42 #834706

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My mechanic with 30 years plus experience and training at KHI in Japan, swears by the Techmate carb synch tool. Its a little pricey at over $700 USD but he swears by it and it will last me for life.

What about the cheap ebay gauge type tools? Decent enough or total crap?
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