Black Plugs / Running fine / what todo

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28 Jul 2018 23:47 - 29 Jul 2018 03:05 #787835 by gordone
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thank you all :)

From what I understand is the wire and caps not resistor type.
www.z1enterprises.com/dyna-ignition-wire...sion-core-black.html

What spark model type should I order who is not resistor type?

 If I install the new plugs and 17.5 pilot jet and lower the needle and drive a hour drive with different throitle opening. If the spark plug show good condition, is then case close?

Or must I run the engine 1/4 kill engine and then clean plug run 1/2 kill the engine, check condition and then do the same for 3/4?


1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).

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www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
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29 Jul 2018 03:00 #787836 by Scirocco
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NGK B8ES are the non resistor plugs.
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29 Jul 2018 03:31 - 29 Jul 2018 03:34 #787837 by Warren3200gt
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Khi changed the reccomended plugs from b8 to b7 for 650 motors around 78. Ie just after all the manuals were printed. B7 is hotter than b8. B7's for general use. B8's for constant high speed / revs. B9's for race use.
Whatever heat range you go for use the denso equivalent, far supeiror plugs.


Z1000J2 somewhat modified!

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29 Jul 2018 11:45 #787855 by gordone
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I have now sent email update order to NGK B8ES.

will come back with a update when I have tested with new needle posistion 17.5 pilot jet and new plugs.

It will maybe take 1-2 weeks.

thank you all for the support.

1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).

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www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine

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29 Jul 2018 14:35 #787864 by Scirocco
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Hello gordone
It will maybe take 1-2 weeks? For what, to got all the parts?
Or are you in vacation?

10x NGK Zündkerze B8ES

www.amazon.de/NGK-10x-Z%C3%BCndkerze-B8E...words=ngk+b8es&psc=1


17.5 pilot jet

www.motorradbay.de/keysterjetformikunica...6e1769fe4384b9c23a36



I have 4 x 17,5 pilots left if you want.
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29 Jul 2018 14:38 #787865 by gordone
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Hehe

thank you, but I have the pilot jets. The pmugs take 3-4 days.

Bussy at work with overtime, so need to take it when I got time :)

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30 Jul 2018 13:51 #787918 by gordone
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While waithing for the plugs I have a question plug with resistor vs not resistor.

is the idea my plug will run hoiter with not resistor?

I understand the spark is wider/larger with a resistor type.

summary why not resistor at all?

1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).

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www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine

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30 Jul 2018 16:57 #787930 by KZB2 650
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I don't run res plugs or caps either but would love to hear a argument if this is a hotter set up over one with resisters. A search on the subject just gave me a head ache so I'm only "guessing" that it would ......

1978 KZ650 b-2
700cc Wiseco kit 10 to 1.
1980 KZ750 cam, ape springs, stock clutch/ Barnett springs.
Vance and Hines Header w/ comp baffle and Ape pods, Dyna S and green coils, copper wires.
29MM smooth bores W/ 17.5 pilots, 0-6s and 117.5 main
16/42 gearing X ring chain and alum rear JT sprocket.

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30 Jul 2018 23:13 #787935 by gordone
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SWest wrote: I don't run them at all.
Steve


sorry for not be clear, my question was, what is the benefit of not using resistor at all, either in the plug or caps?

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31 Jul 2018 01:00 - 31 Jul 2018 01:02 #787936 by Warren3200gt
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Resistors were only put in to stop interference with analogue tv's and radio's around back in the 70's. I don't run resistor plugs or caps on any of my bikes. In todays digital world there is no benefit either way to the bike other than something less to go wrong.


Z1000J2 somewhat modified!

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04 Aug 2018 08:34 - 04 Aug 2018 08:37 #788174 by gordone
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Finaly some work done!
Today have I installed four new spark plugs B8ES lower the needle from 5`th to 4`th position and installed the 17.5 pilot jets.
I adjusted all air mix screw to 1 turn out plus 1/4.

I also synced the carbs.

I recorded a video when I was finish, the idle needle on the RPM display, has not been so stably before on 1... never seen since I have had the bike...
streamable.com/na5kj

I started up the bike, it started easier then before and the idle was more smooth... I let it run for around 5-10 minutes to it was hot...
Then I took out the spark plugs, please see picture below:

Cylinder 1:


Cylinder 2:


Cylinder 3:


Cylinder 4:


I don`t know if the engine was run long enoufh, bu the plugs looks good for now?
My plan is to drive the bike around in different roads city and high speed and then take them out and see how they looks like?
If the engine is running fine and the plugs looks fine I don`t need to do more ? If the plugs are not perfect, then I need to figue out what
area the problem is ? pilot ? needle? main jet.. but not before ?

1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).

Project:
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
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