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need carb help
19 Apr 2016 16:49 - 19 Apr 2016 16:51
hey guys got ahold of two kz440D bikes for a cool 200 bucks. now im starting my first bike.
so i need help. i want to put clamp on
emgo air filters
on the carbs but someone said i should re-jet the carbs. anyone have any experience doing this and can advise me as how to do it?
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Re: need carb help
19 Apr 2016 16:51
Do you have a air box?
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Re: need carb help
19 Apr 2016 16:59
i do have an air box, with no filter. i really like how it looks with the clamp on filters. is it detrimental?
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19 Apr 2016 17:07
Yes. PLEASE do yourself (and all of us) a favor and plug the word "pods" into this site's search engine. You will see that the subject has been discussed 9,104 times (no kidding - see image below)! Thanks, Ed
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Re: need carb help
19 Apr 2016 17:35Gregl wrote: i do have an air box, with no filter. i really like how it looks with the clamp on filters. is it detrimental?
Yes, it's very detrimental, especially on KZ440's, and will most likely turn your dream into a nightmare.
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19 Apr 2016 18:02 - 19 Apr 2016 18:05
If you toss the air box you might as well just toss the carbs too. :whistle: CV carbs are not good with pods. Probably cost the same to buy some new mikuni VMs and tune those as it would to jet the CVs.
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Re: need carb help
19 Apr 2016 19:24 - 19 Apr 2016 19:26
please elaborate, i just started building my first bike today. im going completely blind. so this mikumimi carb is going to need a custom bracket? they all seem like single carb. do i chance a higher risk of stalling at high rpm? does it matter if its belt or chain driven.
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19 Apr 2016 19:57
You really need a genuine factory service manual and some proper tools before going any farther.
The carburetors on that model are notoriously difficult to to tune with individual pod filters. They are designed to work with the factory air box and filter. The individual filters drastically alter the air pressure that the carbs need to function properly. It can be done, bot it requires a great deal of knowledge, time patience and money.
Most first timers get so frustrated that the set fire to the bike and piss on the ashes.
If you want to ride it someday, get it running properly with the full factory setup, then start modifying the cosmetics. The mechanical stuff can come as you gain knowledge and experience.
The carburetors on that model are notoriously difficult to to tune with individual pod filters. They are designed to work with the factory air box and filter. The individual filters drastically alter the air pressure that the carbs need to function properly. It can be done, bot it requires a great deal of knowledge, time patience and money.
Most first timers get so frustrated that the set fire to the bike and piss on the ashes.
If you want to ride it someday, get it running properly with the full factory setup, then start modifying the cosmetics. The mechanical stuff can come as you gain knowledge and experience.
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19 Apr 2016 20:06Gregl wrote: please elaborate, i just started building my first bike today. im going completely blind. so this mikumimi carb is going to need a custom bracket? they all seem like single carb. do i chance a higher risk of stalling at high rpm? does it matter if its belt or chain driven.
No offense intended, but please consider this. It's your first bike. You really don't have even an elementary understanding of how it works or its various systems (don't be offended, this was true for all of us at one time). You may or may not even have experience as a rider, but you certainly do not have experience as a motorcycle design engineer. So rather than trying to modify systems that have been engineered by experts and refined over generations of evolution, why not simply ride the bike and gain first hand experience as a motorcyclist, and using the Kawasaki Service Manual learn all there is to learn about the bike, the various systems on the bike, and how to properly maintain the bike? After you have done all that and have a thorough understanding of the bike you may want to dabble in making mods, but trying to do that when you have zero understanding of the bike and its systems is truly a mistake. Ed
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19 Apr 2016 20:16
you make a fair point. more-so i want to get it up and running. i can stick to the original air box, no problem. i just wasnt sure if it was the better way to go. i picked up two running kz 440s and im restoring them both. have any recommendations on any quality online stores that you use?
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19 Apr 2016 20:16 - 19 Apr 2016 20:19When I got my 440 the air box was MIA so I had to try and get the CV carbs working with pods. Didn't work for reasons mentioned above. I ended up tossing my CV carbs into a plastic tote. I was about at the set the bike on fire phase myself at that point. :lol: there is going to be so many things you need to fix you will end up there yourself if your not careful. Your best bet is to spend the money upfront and get a manual plus whatever else you need to get it back to stock. Take some of the extra variables out of the equation. It sucks but these $200 bikes can be expensive and time consuming to fix. I personally just went with a 2 in 1 conversion because I'm cheap. Bikes still super zippy and will do 75. Sounds like yours is in better shape than mine was to start though.Gregl wrote: please elaborate, i just started building my first bike today. im going completely blind. so this mikumimi carb is going to need a custom bracket? they all seem like single carb. do i chance a higher risk of stalling at high rpm? does it matter if its belt or chain driven.
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Re: need carb help
19 Apr 2016 20:19
your two to one conversion, did you have to make your own pipe for a single carb?
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