Kz1100 running very rich
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10 Nov 2015 07:38 - 10 Nov 2015 07:4076KZ900 wrote:Barry2 wrote: I went thru the same thing on a kz1000 Checked every thing, Stock jets, float levels right on, New fuel valve even double checked the air intake. in my case it turned out that PO had bored out the main jets way too big. still had the stock jet numbers on them At full throttle it smoked like a diesel and burn your eyes to follow behind it. I guess the PO thought he'd make a wild guess on the jet size. :ohmy:
I was at a local vintage motorcycle shop and the owner told me that they had the proper size bits to drill jets. I said why would you do that with the price of jets? Don't get me wrong I'm as cheap as the next guy but even I never understood doing that. Especially when you pay for drilling the jets is as much as a set of new jets.
I've never fully understood the "desire" to drill jets out firstly for the economic reasons stated, but also there is no going back if you miscalculate the size, or may need the other jets for altitude etc. down the road. Also if you buy new jets you know the size for certain, who's to say existing jets may not already have been tampered with. I would also argue that drilling isn't an exact science depending on how it's done and who's doing it, more material can be removed than intended.
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Re: Kz1100 running very rich
10 Nov 2015 13:53
This is true. In the past working in a HP shop, we drilled jets, soldered them and drilled them again. Same with the emulsion tubes. Not for the first timer for sure. :whistle:
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10 Nov 2015 18:16I didn't check with the airbox boots off yet but before I took them off there was gas leaking from where the vent hose connects to the airbox.Patton wrote: Perhaps not applicable to the bike at hand, but would check for the following possibility that can happen on Z1 models with the stock air-box configuration.
When there's a crankcase vent tube that exits into the air-box, presence of raw gasoline in the carb throat (from whatever reason) may flow backward toward and into the air-box.
Raw gasoline that gets inside the air-box would intuitively be expected to escape via a drain hole, likely through a hose attached to the drain hole which allows the raw gasoline to exit onto the road surface or garage floor or wherever.
BUT, raw gasoline that gets inside the air-box -- instead of discharging via a drain -- might flow down the crankcase vent tube directly into the crankcase. Which is a possibility with the Z1 air-box design.
Long story short -- do what's necessary to assure there's no gasoline draining from the air box down through the crankcase vent hose into the crankcase.
Carbs with a functioning overflow circuit usually avoid raw gasoline in the carb throat because the maximum float bowl fuel level is governed by height of the overflow tube in the float bowl.
However, when using carbs without an overflow circuit (such as the popular Mikuni smoothbores) -- or any carbs with a non-functional overflow circuit -- a leaking fuel valve (or other cause) may result in raw gasoline rising from inside the float bowl up into the carb throat.
Good Fortune!
I need to look but wouldn't these carbs have an overflow hose?
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Re: Kz1100 running very rich
10 Nov 2015 18:31
Not the early ones or my 33's. Had the same problem.
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11 Nov 2015 06:20 - 11 Nov 2015 06:22eddiem wrote: . . . I need to look but wouldn't these carbs have an overflow hose?
The following diagram shows how the overflow circuit is supposed to work:
The overflow circuit may be non-functional for whatever reason, such as blockage of the overflow tube or overflow hose.
With the drain screw tightened, may spray carb cleaner through the small hole at top of overflow tube and watch for it to exit from the overflow nipple at bottom exterior of the float bowl.
Always wear protective goggles when spraying carb cleaner because the spray always backfires. ALWAYS!
In extreme cases of excessively rising gasoline levels, even a correctly functioning overflow circuit may be overwhelmed.
If the carb floats at hand are brass, would assure that none of the floats are leaking. And that the adjustment tangs look okay (i.e., have not broken off).
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Re: Kz1100 running very rich
21 Nov 2015 20:34
I opened the fuel valve without the airbox boots on and no fuel leaked out the back of the carbs matter, a fact it didn't leak anywhere.
Went ahead and pulled the carbs off and got the bowls off and so far everything looks good with the exception of one needle seat o-ring maybe being bad. .
Went ahead and pulled the carbs off and got the bowls off and so far everything looks good with the exception of one needle seat o-ring maybe being bad. .
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Re: Kz1100 running very rich
14 Aug 2016 14:12
finely got the carbs back together. I set the floats to specs (18.6mm). when I do the clear tube test I'm using black hose with a glass tube. If I hold the tube up to the carb the gas doesn't come to the top till I lower it well below the edge of the carb only then when I raise it up to the edge does it show. Am I doing this right?
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Re: Kz1100 running very rich
14 Aug 2016 14:33
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Re: Kz1100 running very rich
14 Aug 2016 14:43
exactly the setup I'm using. maybe I'm not giving enough time for the gas to come up?
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Re: Kz1100 running very rich
14 Aug 2016 14:47 - 14 Aug 2016 14:47
Maybe. Are you setting the petcock to PRI before opening the bowl screw?
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Re: Kz1100 running very rich
14 Aug 2016 14:50
I have a fuel bottle on an IV stand feeding the carbs. I fill the carbs with gas then open the drain on the float bowl.
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Re: Kz1100 running very rich
14 Aug 2016 14:53
So the bottle is free to flow fuel when you open the bowl screw?
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