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05 Aug 2010 15:17 #388419 by jeffasaki
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Just got these carbs in the mail TODAY!!!!!
ME SO HORRRRRNY!
You are a good man Mike
Thanks Jeff

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05 Aug 2010 15:23 #388425 by hocbj23
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Doesnt take a lot to get u excited does it?Stay away from the August edition of "Playboy" please.We dont want u strokin out or anything.bj

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05 Aug 2010 20:18 #388528 by 79MKII
Glad to hear they made it safely up north! Keep me posted on how they run. I'm still searching for a nice set of 35's....

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Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250

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23 Aug 2010 19:26 #393352 by 79MKII
Got a nice set of 35's today!! :woohoo: :woohoo: Being a Mikuni man all my life, I don't know where to start with these Keihins.

Does anyone have base settings for them on a KZ1000? They are used so I'm not sure how they are set up right now.

They look to be pretty new - really nice shape. I bought them outside of eBay and not from a KZR member either, so I'm very relieved that they actually showed up today and that I wasn't scammed.

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250
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24 Aug 2010 05:17 #393414 by Old Man Rock
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In the Carb zipped folder I placed all the Keihin CR literature.... Includes parts break downs, jetting sizes, jetting info, trouble shooting, charts etc....
SUDCO sends them out way rich so....

kzrider.com/index.php?option=com_docman&...d&gid=461&Itemid=108

Phoenix AZ is roughly 1400 feet elevation...
I dropped 2 sizes on the mains and slow jets.
1 size to leaner YY9 needle, clip position 3.

She prefers to idle at ~ 1100-1200rpm...

Now due to AZ heat (freaking 115*F :pinch:) and in my top end build, I prefer to be a tad richer.... Plugs are spot on regarding ground band strap, base circle light carbon and insulator a gray versus tan color....

I have no loss/bogg in low rpm, no sputters or lags, no back firing on deceleration and no need to downshift to pass...

Just roll on the throttle and she takes off like a scorned women.... :woohoo:

These carbs are extremely easy to re-jet.... If I can do it anyone can....;)

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24 Aug 2010 06:27 - 24 Aug 2010 06:56 #393425 by 79MKII
Thanks for the link OMR! Never knew that info was there. That's a lot of good information all in one place.

What size CR's are you running?

Can you also tell me if these carbs can be vacuum synchronized? There is a fitting near the choke on each carb - is that an overflow or a place to synch?

Maybe mechanical synch only? Didn't see snychronizing mentioned in any of the literature.

Thanks

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250
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24 Aug 2010 07:33 #393442 by Old Man Rock
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Oops, sorry about that... 29mm CR's...

Manifolds have the vacuum ports...
For sync, you adjust the throttle valves as in most carbs...
Once wamred up....

* Hook up the Morgan to all 4 manifold ports...
* Try and set idle as low as possible... Mine ~ 900-1000rpm
for the old girl gets pissy on me any lower... She prefers normal idle around 1100-1200rpm and she'll purr for me...
* Adjust throttle valves for obtaining 18-20cm on all 4 carbs +/-2cm...
* Blip the throttle and let her snap back, should rise and fall uniformly and in unison (+/-2-4cm)... Should fall to where it was adjusted to ~ 20cm...

I realize a few mntionings have been made about inusirng they are the same is the biggest point to make in carb sync but I have found insuring I ahve the optiomum vaccum (20cm) made a difference as well in performance of these CR's....;)

I know, I know, I'm anal that way plus I enjoy tweaking and learning... Plum and Larry always get pissed at me for I go way out of my way on research & tweaking for perfection or as close as I can get to it in my mind anywas.... :blush: Just the way my brain works I guess... :woohoo:

Side outlet is an overflow.... I leave mine open, no tube or plug/cap... No issues to date...

Seriously, once you dial these babies in, wholly smokes hang on when you twist her for you are going to notice a HUGE difference in performances.... My little 1015 pulls like a seasoned hooker.... :laugh:

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1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

Phoenix, Az

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24 Aug 2010 08:04 #393451 by 79MKII
You can use stock manifolds with those 29's - I had to get "J" style manifolds for the larger carbs and they don't have vacuum ports. :( I've been trying to think of a way to synch them and just don't know for sure. Some have suggested drilling the manifolds and installing nipples but I'm afraid of leaks. I thought I might install nitrous plates and add a nipple instead of a nozzle? Not sure on that either. Oh well, back to the drawing board on the synching. Same problem as with the Mikuni 33 smoothbores (no ports). The Mikuni RS series have a vacuum port built right into the carbs - I was hoping the Keihins did too.

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250

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24 Aug 2010 15:21 #393530 by mark1122
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PLUMMEN wrote:

how often are you actually gonna pin the throttle where youll get full affect of a set of 34s versus the smaller carbs? B)


At LEAST once a day weather i need to or not .:woohoo:

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26 Aug 2011 03:39 - 26 Aug 2011 03:40 #471869 by nads.com
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mark1122 wrote: PLUMMEN wrote:

how often are you actually gonna pin the throttle where youll get full affect of a set of 34s versus the smaller carbs? B)


At LEAST once a day weather i need to or not .:woohoo:


And then the bog :) The happy happy BOG :blink: and wheres my low end :huh:

Take yourself to a bug race (clear the mind)

burn all records, start over.

Go to 1500cc and experience the bog there...

or just lemme strap on some bs34's

or is there a problem with the air stream i dunknow :silly:
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26 Aug 2011 10:46 #471919 by 79MKII
I STILL haven't tried the CR35's....been running the 33 smoothbores all summer. Maybe this fall...

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250

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26 Aug 2011 15:22 - 26 Aug 2011 15:26 #471968 by nads.com
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PLUMMEN wrote:

heres dale walkers old 750/1170 running 9.39 142mph little a little old set of 29s back in the day,i dont know about you but hes a better rider than me! :laugh:


Like to know the compression and the cam timing on this motor and what he did to the

HEAD! that's fast and I want to know HOW he did it.

But I'll never know .... wait I'll move out into the country and run an

1170 down the road all day making changes to the timing,

and see just where he found that power and speed.

Can tell by the pic this isn't a perfect world,

He couldn't seem to adjust the headlamp, now go figure.
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