Kawi J engine squish clearance?
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
22 Mar 2017 06:40 - 22 Mar 2017 08:45
I don't really see a problem with the 1100 gaskets.
Personally I have never had problems with Cometic graphite head gaskets
They are all I use now especially as 99% of my builds use Wiseco or MTC pistons.
Cleanliness , head torque and re-torque sequence is key.
Always use the head gaskets dry.
Never use spray on sealer.
The only area to apply sealer as insurance is a light smear of RTV for and aft of the camchain tunnel as this area gets hammered by oil spray.
Other paper gaskets. base, cam cover etc I grease both sides .
Personally I have never had problems with Cometic graphite head gaskets
They are all I use now especially as 99% of my builds use Wiseco or MTC pistons.
Cleanliness , head torque and re-torque sequence is key.
Always use the head gaskets dry.
Never use spray on sealer.
The only area to apply sealer as insurance is a light smear of RTV for and aft of the camchain tunnel as this area gets hammered by oil spray.
Other paper gaskets. base, cam cover etc I grease both sides .
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
22 Mar 2017 09:09 - 22 Mar 2017 09:11
But say have I to take .020" off the block for squish, plus the previous .006" to get it flat. Wouldn't I have to deepen the o-ring grooves?
So you've never had oil get by a Cometic at the 4 outer studs? I was thinking possibly enlarging the stud holes and using o-rings would be a good idea.
So you've never had oil get by a Cometic at the 4 outer studs? I was thinking possibly enlarging the stud holes and using o-rings would be a good idea.
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
22 Mar 2017 09:40
sorry on the 1075 kit for "J", I stand corrected
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
22 Mar 2017 10:43 - 22 Mar 2017 17:18VTEC wrote: But say have I to take .020" off the block for squish, plus the previous .006" to get it flat. Wouldn't I have to deepen the o-ring grooves?
So you've never had oil get by a Cometic at the 4 outer studs? I was thinking possibly enlarging the stud holes and using o-rings would be a good idea.
Never had a problem with oil leaks at the studs.
If using HD studs I run a 12mm drill down the corner holes in the block to straighten them out as the casting tapers around half way through and as well as causing possible restriction also ups the pressure in that area.
You can use a counter bore and fit 'O' rings if you think it necessary .
That is what I do when using copper head gaskets and no top end oiler.
Pretty sure I showed that done in the Orient Express Drag bike thread.
As for the squish. as mentioned, I would just get zero deck height and leave it at that.
I think you are getting a bit obsessed with getting the squish tight at the detriment of other areas of the build when It won't really make any measurable difference.
The width of the band created by the overbore isn't wide enough to create significant turbulence and if you want to build an engine with effective squish you need to start with the 83 onwards 1100 Unitrack with the bathtub twin swirl combustion chamber as these have a substantial squish area machined in with pistons shaped to match.
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
22 Mar 2017 17:05
You're right. I am getting obsessed about the whole job. It's more than a build, but a rebuild catching and correcting everything the last guy messed up.
I asked APE about drilling out the outer stud holes due to the oversized studs. They said it wasn'the necessary but maybe I'll do it any way. Just the block, not the head?
I have all the other gaskets in OEM. They're thicker with a sealant coating.
Got all my parts in and will assemble the lower end this weekend. Followed by checking squish and I'll let you know where the numbers come in.
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I asked APE about drilling out the outer stud holes due to the oversized studs. They said it wasn'the necessary but maybe I'll do it any way. Just the block, not the head?
I have all the other gaskets in OEM. They're thicker with a sealant coating.
Got all my parts in and will assemble the lower end this weekend. Followed by checking squish and I'll let you know where the numbers come in.
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
22 Mar 2017 17:15
Just the two rear outer ones which act as oil galleries.
Not the head.
The casting varies so some can be worse than others.
The later motors are better but always worth checking.
Not the head.
The casting varies so some can be worse than others.
The later motors are better but always worth checking.
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
22 Mar 2017 17:16 - 22 Mar 2017 17:17
Let me hit you with a trans question before I get to work.
Is .025"end play at 1st gear on the countershaft normal?
No spec in the book, but they say if it doesn't turn use the thinner trust washer at the needle bearing. This sounds like it should be a tight end play, but it's not. And the gear against the needle bearing on the mainshaft with the same select-fit thrust washer is about .005".
Is .025"end play at 1st gear on the countershaft normal?
No spec in the book, but they say if it doesn't turn use the thinner trust washer at the needle bearing. This sounds like it should be a tight end play, but it's not. And the gear against the needle bearing on the mainshaft with the same select-fit thrust washer is about .005".
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
24 Mar 2017 07:22
Note the clay shape in the pic below, which shows the actual squish area/combustion chamber relationship of the bathtub head and Std. J-pistons as it exists in my engine. 

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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
24 Mar 2017 10:04
What squish clearance/deck height are you at?
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
24 Mar 2017 14:53VTEC wrote: What squish clearance/deck height are you at?
I do not know the answer to that. :S
The assembly was completed using Genuine Kawasaki gaskets. The cylinder block deck was left alone, but the head had .005 removed, which I believe was done to ensure flatness.
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
03 Apr 2017 17:59
OK. Finally got everything in and the bottom end will be assembled tomorrow. Next I'll bolt on the block and head with a piston to check squish.
I'll use the Cometic gasket to test. So anything above .043" with be my deck clearance.
I have .060" rosin core solder. Is that safe to use? I heard someone say hollowing out acid core is softer and safer.
I'll use the Cometic gasket to test. So anything above .043" with be my deck clearance.
I have .060" rosin core solder. Is that safe to use? I heard someone say hollowing out acid core is softer and safer.
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Re: Kawi J engine squish clearance?
16 Apr 2017 10:20 - 16 Apr 2017 10:21
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