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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
07 Nov 2010 14:47 - 21 May 2011 01:28
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1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
07 Nov 2010 17:04
We have one. Use it mainly to check thread profiles, keeper angels, etc
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
07 Nov 2010 22:05
ok injected, see now what you mean by a 10X, we actually have one of these at my work place. will give it a try.
before the welding i did a plasticine cast and sliced it to get the radius of the spherical chamber. traced from that a small carton template, so sounds like we are on the same page after all.
grazie mille
TG
before the welding i did a plasticine cast and sliced it to get the radius of the spherical chamber. traced from that a small carton template, so sounds like we are on the same page after all.
grazie mille
TG
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
08 Nov 2010 05:58 - 21 May 2011 01:27
turboguzzi wrote:
Here is that tool I made up... picture is a little fuzzy because it was -2C this morning taken before my coffie!
Yes... that was a good idea.before the welding i did a plasticine cast and sliced it to get the radius of the spherical chamber. traced from that a small carton template, so sounds like we are on the same page after all.
Here is that tool I made up... picture is a little fuzzy because it was -2C this morning taken before my coffie!
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
08 Nov 2010 11:19
I am based in milano, where are you? by the way you spell coffie it sounds like netherlands 
nice tool, would be great to see how your chambers look like now.
Larry, did a bit of homework and sounds like pressure recovery is what i call the diffuser effect when the gases enter the chamber past the valve. So yes, i am aware of a possible downside, in any case. Still want to keep a good squish band, with the current welding i should get something like 28% squished area. really worked for me in the past.
What i might do, time permitting, is play with plasticine and thread streamers in a spare head to see if there's any point in chamfering only the area near the inlet valve for a bit of a diffuser effect.
TG

nice tool, would be great to see how your chambers look like now.
Larry, did a bit of homework and sounds like pressure recovery is what i call the diffuser effect when the gases enter the chamber past the valve. So yes, i am aware of a possible downside, in any case. Still want to keep a good squish band, with the current welding i should get something like 28% squished area. really worked for me in the past.
What i might do, time permitting, is play with plasticine and thread streamers in a spare head to see if there's any point in chamfering only the area near the inlet valve for a bit of a diffuser effect.
TG
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
08 Nov 2010 12:22
I am missing the point on the tool (pun intended!) where is the cutting edge? What are you trying to cut? I believe you are cutting a deeper (or new) squish band, but how do you cut it without the tool beating up the cumbustion chamber dome?
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
08 Nov 2010 13:49 - 21 May 2011 01:28
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1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
08 Nov 2010 16:30 - 08 Nov 2010 16:32
Awesome... Injected you are a cool cat! It has been a long while since I actually learned something on this forum.
In shop class we spent all our tume rebuilding lawn mower engines... i only used the mill and lathe for maybe 2 class periods in my 4 years. Damn shame the shop teacher was a perfectionist and machinest by trade and basically he hated to see the sloppy work we would turn out. Great guy, not so great teacher.
So when would recomend doing something like this? What compression ratio would require it? Could this be at all benificial for a street machine? It sounds like there is a risk of messing with the heads flow (diffuser effect?) so it this something best left to the professionals?
::EDIT:: Sorry for the hijack and thank you (injected and turboguzzi) for the info!
In shop class we spent all our tume rebuilding lawn mower engines... i only used the mill and lathe for maybe 2 class periods in my 4 years. Damn shame the shop teacher was a perfectionist and machinest by trade and basically he hated to see the sloppy work we would turn out. Great guy, not so great teacher.
So when would recomend doing something like this? What compression ratio would require it? Could this be at all benificial for a street machine? It sounds like there is a risk of messing with the heads flow (diffuser effect?) so it this something best left to the professionals?
::EDIT:: Sorry for the hijack and thank you (injected and turboguzzi) for the info!
1977 kz650 c1
bought it because I was told it would never run again...I like to prove people wrong.
bought it because I was told it would never run again...I like to prove people wrong.
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
08 Nov 2010 16:55 - 21 May 2011 01:30
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1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
08 Nov 2010 17:59
I had a feeling it was a race motor only thing... but cool as hell to hear about. I doubt it will be something I ever need to do to one of my motors but cool to hear about anyways.
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
09 Nov 2010 18:55
hei injected,
might have to do something similar as i already discovered quite a marked difference in chamber volume, so in order to equalize cc's in all the chambers, this might be the best way.
TG
might have to do something similar as i already discovered quite a marked difference in chamber volume, so in order to equalize cc's in all the chambers, this might be the best way.
TG
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Re: GPZ750/810 racer marching on
09 Nov 2010 21:12
Yes... if you make a tool to do the chamber edge every one will be exactly the same volume - doing it by hand they could get close, but not every one the same.
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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