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03 Aug 2010 07:47 #387879 by TerryK
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Cookie1893 wrote:

This motor has potential. So far u had it 2 days and I couldn't even get it to turn over when I brought it home and now it's starting to turn and the kick starter is starting to work. I say with a little work I can getting running with no problem. But I will keep you posted on my build and how the motor is coming along.


You have to understand that if the rings and cylinder walls are rusted bad enough to stick the engine that once you get it free all that rust just doesn't disappear, it will continue to do damage to the engine once it's running. Also keep in mind that rust is not a surface build up, it's the oxidization of steel which means it's removing material from the rings, cylinder walls etc. Also keep in mind that dissimilar metals like steel/aluminum will react to each other over long periods of time, especially when moisture is introduced.

Do yourself a favor and at least pull the covers off and inspect for water damage and look inside the spark plug holes for the same. If you see rust and a powdery white substance then you have trouble. Maybe take some pics and post them here.

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03 Aug 2010 11:39 #387911 by Cookie1893
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It had carbs and exhaust on it the whole time while it was sitting outside the two months. And I will send pics. Tonight I'm going to take the side covers off and inspect for water. Also i already have the spark plugs off and there is no rust down there.

1977 KZ-650 total motor rebuild project

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03 Aug 2010 12:33 - 03 Aug 2010 12:34 #387914 by Kidkawie
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I think that engine would run just fine. My Z1 was sitting for 14 years, rode a couple months, then sat another 12 and fired right up.

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03 Aug 2010 14:24 #387927 by Cookie1893
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I have a feeling it will fire right up too. All I need is carbs and a good cleaning and it should fire up no problem.

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03 Aug 2010 14:59 #387940 by Cookie1893
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here are the pictures. i had to hurry up and take them because a rain was coming and i had to put a trash bag over the motor but tell me if this is good or bad. i also have a picture with the stator cover off. more will be posted soon.

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Alex

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03 Aug 2010 15:01 #387941 by Cookie1893
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other side...

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03 Aug 2010 15:02 #387943 by Cookie1893
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this is with the cover off. tell me if it looks okay. thanks.

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03 Aug 2010 16:55 #387968 by KZ250LTD
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Cookie1893 wrote:

this is with the cover off. tell me if it looks okay. thanks.


That tharr be the points cover, stator cover is on the other side of the motor. Near the front.

As has been said, a manual is invaluable, even if you don't have the whole bike!

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03 Aug 2010 17:39 #387979 by Cookie1893
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Oh okay I didn't know exactly what that cover was called. And I called the library and they said they will buy the clymers manual to the kz-650

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03 Aug 2010 18:12 #387985 by TerryK
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OK, so it looks pretty clean on the outside, but you STILL have a problem. The engine is tight and to merely put fuel in it and fire it up is mechanical suicide. You really need to find out what the problem is. Really.


Seriously.

1977 KZ1000
GSXR swingarm and rear brake
WM6 rear Akront rim
Wiseco 1075c pistons
33 smoothbores
stage 3 Web Cams
Head porting
Dyna S ignition
Lockhart oil cooler
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03 Aug 2010 18:27 #387991 by Cookie1893
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Yeah we put oil down the spark plug holes and it's still not spinning very good. Good thing I'm in auto shop this year. I'll have to do a complete tear down looks like. I hope it's crankshaft isn't bent. But I did look down the spark plug holes and it's all filled with white powder. Corrosion? I don't know but looks like I have some work cut out for me.

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03 Aug 2010 22:57 - 04 Aug 2010 07:59 #388033 by TerryK
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Cookie1893 wrote:

Yeah we put oil down the spark plug holes and it's still not spinning very good. Good thing I'm in auto shop this year. I'll have to do a complete tear down looks like. I hope it's crankshaft isn't bent. But I did look down the spark plug holes and it's all filled with white powder. Corrosion? I don't know but looks like I have some work cut out for me.


I guess you didn't read my other post. Aluminum corrosion can damage engine parts and once it gets going it advances very quickly. Inside an engine it's mainly caused by water/moisture reacting with chemicals that are the result of combustion. This creates very caustic acids that literally eat pistons and other aluminum parts. If you have a lot of if chances are your pistons and maybe even your cylinder head are damaged.

Some examples of aluminum corrosion.




1977 KZ1000
GSXR swingarm and rear brake
WM6 rear Akront rim
Wiseco 1075c pistons
33 smoothbores
stage 3 Web Cams
Head porting
Dyna S ignition
Lockhart oil cooler
Wiseco header



1980 Z1R drag bike
1200cc
38 Flatslides, .
500' cams
7" slick
Dyan 4000 SP ignition
etc

Ontario, Canada
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