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22 Mar 2009 19:23 #274381 by mark1122
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ok thats all good then, unless it got bumped out of place or something. the smoke should only last for a min or 2. if it keeps smoking u have oil geting into the cyl somewhere.
it's easy to get the bottom oil rail ring installed incorectly. they can slip out of the groove when u push the piston into the cyl.Dont even ask me how i know that.:blush:
I had brand new oil seals go bad last year too. they just got stretched, hard and deformed. sounds like growing old.:lol:

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22 Mar 2009 19:25 #274383 by keith1
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Bicycle Lee wrote:

Hahaha.... I was like, "O-ring?? Oh shit...." but yes, I DID put that piece in. I didn't really think of that as an "O" ring... haha...
I also see that Z1 has a one piece copper gasket.... I might just have to get that.... I mean, the ones I have on there now are brand new and they're leaking... so maybe a one-piece is the way to go???



i was advised against copper unless cylinders are o ringed.....sold mine...go with a cometic one pc gasket
and fill that o-ring area with high temp gasket stuff...i ran mine for about 1/2 an hour twice and no leaks....gotta get some carbs on it and away i go.....good luck....let us know how you make out......keith

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22 Mar 2009 19:34 #274388 by mark1122
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dont use copper .use a 1 piece cometic and fill the groove like Kieth said.and u will be B)

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
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22 Mar 2009 19:50 - 22 Mar 2009 20:01 #274395 by Bicycle Lee
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mark1122 wrote:

ok thats all good then, unless it got bumped out of place or something. the smoke should only last for a min or 2. if it keeps smoking u have oil geting into the cyl somewhere.
it's easy to get the bottom oil rail ring installed incorectly. they can slip out of the groove when u push the piston into the cyl.Dont even ask me how i know that.:blush:
I had brand new oil seals go bad last year too. they just got stretched, hard and deformed. sounds like growing old.:lol:

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bottom oil rail ring? You mean one of the piston rings?
hmmmm.... I hope I don't have to take it all the way down to the crank again..... fitting those pistons in sucks haha

I can't find a one-piece cometic head gasket on Z1.... do they have one?

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23 Mar 2009 12:21 #274553 by Bicycle Lee
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So my brother seems to think it's an issue with my carbs... something that was there before. I drained my oil before and there was a lot of unburnt fuel in it. He seems to think my floats are off, or something. Still looking to get new carbs anyway, but I figured it would be worth a try.
Still looking for that one-piece Cometic head gasket....
anybody got a link for it?

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23 Mar 2009 13:48 #274583 by Little B
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In case someone still needs help with timing and would like some pictures. This thread may help.

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23 Mar 2009 14:26 #274611 by mark1122
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Just call Z1E and ask for Rob or Jeff. Jeff knows everything there is to know about these bikes, and they will treat u like a king. Tell them Mark Saunders sent u.B)

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23 Mar 2009 14:33 #274617 by mark1122
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Bicycle Lee wrote:

So my brother seems to think it's an issue with my carbs... something that was there before. I drained my oil before and there was a lot of unburnt fuel in it. He seems to think my floats are off, or something. Still looking to get new carbs anyway, but I figured it would be worth a try.
Still looking for that one-piece Cometic head gasket....
anybody got a link for it?


Did u check your oil again to see if there is gas in it again?
if u have . your float hieght may be high, or the seats may be leaking. To check the seats,Turn the gas off ,take the carbs off a bit, hold them level. Now turn the gas back on. is there gas leaking out on either side of the carb?
if it is, witch 1 or all? remove the seats and see if they are dirty or warn. replace if neccesary.

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23 Mar 2009 15:01 #274624 by Bicycle Lee
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do you think that would cause the excess smoke from the exhaust?

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23 Mar 2009 17:16 - 23 Mar 2009 17:32 #274654 by Bicycle Lee
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So here's the video...

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24 Mar 2009 10:12 #274869 by Bicycle Lee
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so I'm going to try and make this thing not smoke or leak before I even bother putting it back in the frame.
Anybody else have ideas on what I should do?
The head gasket for sure needs to get replaced, but the high idle and smoke is still bothersome too...

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24 Mar 2009 14:22 #274948 by keith1
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Bicycle Lee wrote:

so I'm going to try and make this thing not smoke or leak before I even bother putting it back in the frame.
Anybody else have ideas on what I should do?
The head gasket for sure needs to get replaced, but the high idle and smoke is still bothersome too...


just a shot in the dark, but the head gasket could also be leaking into adjacent cylinders and causing excess oil in cylinders (smoke) as well as leaking
externally.....

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