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01 May 2023 05:36 - 01 May 2023 05:53 #884046
by slmjim+Z1BEBE
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Choke plungers was created by slmjim+Z1BEBE
While researching DIY seals, we discovered these:
www.nichecycle.com/ncs/mikuni/parts-by-c...unger-by-mikuni.html
The critical dimensions are the same as VM28SS OEM Mikuni plungers within resolution of our digital calipers.
EDIT: Note that these have a raw brass finish, not the gray plated finish of the OEM Mikuni plungers. If one is a stickler for cosmetic originality, these won't do.
We ordered a set to test in a rack of ribless Z1 carbs we run on one of our '72 Z1's. They fit & work fine. Ordered 32 more to mod all of our Z1 carbs & have a couple of sets on the shelf as carbs pass through our hands.
These differ from the Keyster plungers that lack the metering pin. The Keyster plungers behave more like an ON / OFF switch due to lack of the pin, with little-to-no ability to feather the idle speed during cold start warmup in our experience. The pin on these seem to behave more like a coarse metering 'needle' at partial choke, which was likely the intent of Mikuni on the OEM plungers.
Disclaimer: we have no affiliation with Niche Cycle in any way.
Good Ridin'
slmjim & Z1BEBE
www.nichecycle.com/ncs/mikuni/parts-by-c...unger-by-mikuni.html
The critical dimensions are the same as VM28SS OEM Mikuni plungers within resolution of our digital calipers.
EDIT: Note that these have a raw brass finish, not the gray plated finish of the OEM Mikuni plungers. If one is a stickler for cosmetic originality, these won't do.
We ordered a set to test in a rack of ribless Z1 carbs we run on one of our '72 Z1's. They fit & work fine. Ordered 32 more to mod all of our Z1 carbs & have a couple of sets on the shelf as carbs pass through our hands.
These differ from the Keyster plungers that lack the metering pin. The Keyster plungers behave more like an ON / OFF switch due to lack of the pin, with little-to-no ability to feather the idle speed during cold start warmup in our experience. The pin on these seem to behave more like a coarse metering 'needle' at partial choke, which was likely the intent of Mikuni on the OEM plungers.
Disclaimer: we have no affiliation with Niche Cycle in any way.
Good Ridin'
slmjim & Z1BEBE
A biker looks at your engine and chrome.
A Rider looks at your odometer and tags.
1973 ('72 builds) Z1 x2
1974 Z1-A x2
1975 Z1-B x2
1993 CB 750 Nighthawk x2
2009 ST1300A
www.kawasaki-z-classik.com
An enthusiast's forum focused exclusively
on all things Z1, Z2 and KZ900.
Last edit: 01 May 2023 05:53 by slmjim+Z1BEBE. Reason: clarity
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01 May 2023 07:08 #884054
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Nice find and thanks for sharing. IIRC there has been a post here in the past that indicated Jets R us was also selling the plungers labeled the same way for vm29s. I am by no means an expert on this issue, but as I understand it the same item was used on all the Mikuni vm carbs. I am sure that those who know more than I do will chime in on this.
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01 May 2023 08:39 #884059
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I bought from Jets r Us for the 29 smoothbore that Nessism rebuilt for me. gd4now I think your correct.
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01 May 2023 09:33 #884064
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I used one from My VM 28's to replace one that was munged up on my 33's by the PO. Bought a new set from jetsRus.com for about $8 a piece. Didn't notice much difference but the peace of mind was worth it.
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01 May 2023 11:02 #884070
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I have done a sort of short look at this and the same part number (16016-021) is listed for the VM22SS, VM24SS, VM26SS and VM28SS carb sets on the Kawasaki on-line part lists I can find. So I am fairly sure that the ones labeled for the VM29 should be able to be used on the smaller sets of carbs. I was hoping that Zed might add his knowledge on this subject.
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01 May 2023 12:32 - 01 May 2023 12:33 #884079
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Yes! 16016-021 are same unplated plain brass plungers on the 22,24,26 28 and Smoothies.
Part number 160160-017 denotes the plated type, some of which have different length metering needles.
Neither are suitable for the earlier Z1/SC carbs due to the differing length and lifter end.
Seals on these new items are still plain nitrile so susceptible to attack from ethanol enriched fuels as per the originals..
AIR CORRECTOR JETS FOR VM CARBS AND ETHANOL RESISTANT VITON CHOKE PLUNGER SEAL REPLACMENT FOR ALL CLASSIC AND MODERN MOTORCYCLE CARBURETTORS
kzrider.com/forum/23-for-sale/611992-air-corrector-jets-
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I have done a sort of short look at this and the same part number (16016-021) is listed for the VM22SS, VM24SS, VM26SS and VM28SS carb sets on the Kawasaki on-line part lists I can find. So I am fairly sure that the ones labeled for the VM29 should be able to be used on the smaller sets of carbs. I was hoping that Zed might add his knowledge on this subject.
Yes! 16016-021 are same unplated plain brass plungers on the 22,24,26 28 and Smoothies.
Part number 160160-017 denotes the plated type, some of which have different length metering needles.
Neither are suitable for the earlier Z1/SC carbs due to the differing length and lifter end.
Seals on these new items are still plain nitrile so susceptible to attack from ethanol enriched fuels as per the originals..
AIR CORRECTOR JETS FOR VM CARBS AND ETHANOL RESISTANT VITON CHOKE PLUNGER SEAL REPLACMENT FOR ALL CLASSIC AND MODERN MOTORCYCLE CARBURETTORS
kzrider.com/forum/23-for-sale/611992-air-corrector-jets-
Last edit: 01 May 2023 12:33 by zed1015.
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