Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?

More
12 Apr 2010 21:47 #360259 by e28rusty
As I was putting my rebuilt head on, I evidently had the left exhaust cam cap crooked somehow as I was tightening it and it cracked in half.. So I understand that these are machined with the head, so they can't be replaced? If I can't replace it can I JB weld it :unsure: Or do I need to replace the entire head because of one part.:( I just dumped money into this one and would really just like to replace the broken piece, but I can't find one to replace it with and I don't know if another cap would work on my head.
It seems to me that because the bearings are under each side, that if I JB welded it back together the welded spot wouldn't be under any real stress, each half would handle that individually but that seems pretty hokey. What would you do if it was your engine?


Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
12 Apr 2010 22:07 #360262 by rob220
Replied by rob220 on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
I had this happen to me as well.the owner at our local cycle recycle who seems to really know his stuff told me as long as you keep the bearing that went with the head then you can use another cap.

1975z1 w 80 front end
1075kit
29 mikuni smooth bores
vance comp 4n1 header
stretched 6 inches w/double clubfoot swingarm
suzuki tl1000 rim

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
12 Apr 2010 22:13 #360264 by e28rusty
Replied by e28rusty on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
That would work for me. I was thinking about using new bearings because I would think a different cap would hold it in a slightly different spot, which would mean uneven pressure. I guess it would depend on how similar they were. Does anyone have an extra cam cap to sell?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Apr 2010 04:35 #360290 by BSKZ650
Replied by BSKZ650 on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
You are correct, the bore is align bored and the caps are specific to the head and location, with that being said I have seen people change the caps from head to head, but you are taking a chance on bearing wear which in turn will add metal to the rest of the motor

77 kz650, owned for over 25 years
77 ltd1000, current rider
76 kz900, just waiting
73 z1,, gonna restore this one
piglet, leggero harley davidson
SR, Ride captian, S.E.Texas Patriot Guard Riders.. AKA KawaBob

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Motor Head
  • Offline
  • User
  • FIX UP YOUR BIKE RIGHT AND CHEAP
More
13 Apr 2010 05:07 #360298 by Motor Head
Replied by Motor Head on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
I would take the head off, then to a confident welder who has a TIG welder. Bolt the cap to the head and then weld the crack shut.

1982 KZ1000LTD K2 Vance & Hines 4-1 ACCEL COILS Added Vetter fairing & Bags. FOX Racing rear Shocks, Braced Swing-arm, Fork Brace, Progressive Fork Springs RT Gold Emulators, APE Valve Springs, 1166 Big Bore kit, RS34's, GPZ cams.
1980 KZ550LTD C1 Stock SOLD Miss it
1979 MAZDA RX7 in the works, 13B...

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Apr 2010 05:34 #360304 by zed1015
Replied by zed1015 on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
You haven't broke the actual cap that holds the shells so you are ok. Just remove and tidy up the broken bridge casting so you end up with two individual caps. Make sure you mark where they go for future reference (front, back/left,right etc). Ideally an extra location dowel in each half would be better but i've done this a few times with no adverse results.

AIR CORRECTOR JETS FOR VM CARBS AND ETHANOL RESISTANT VITON CHOKE PLUNGER SEAL REPLACMENT FOR ALL CLASSIC AND MODERN MOTORCYCLE CARBURETTORS
kzrider.com/forum/23-for-sale/611992-air-corrector-jets-





The following user(s) said Thank You: Nessism

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • larrycavan
  • Visitor
13 Apr 2010 17:55 #360454 by larrycavan
Replied by larrycavan on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
Left side caps provide thrust control on the cams on those engines. I dont' know if I'd trust it to one dowel.

I'd either fix that cap or get one from a junk head and plastigage it. The cam bearings are all the same size so that's got no relative affect on anything.

A little loose on the bearing clearance won't hurt anything. Tight is not good.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
13 Apr 2010 20:02 #360499 by PLUMMEN
Replied by PLUMMEN on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
check with local kz freak with junk kz heads laying around,dig through his bucket of caps to find one with close clearances when torqued down with cam installed B)

Still recovering,some days are better than others.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
19 Jan 2022 10:19 #860754 by Samminorwich
Replied by Samminorwich on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
Hi jumping in on this cam cap.subject , what would people think to me changing from bolt to studs loctited into the head and shallow nyloc holding down the caps I only ask.bevause I have two failed  threads 
reSamantha

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • hardrockminer
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
19 Jan 2022 12:11 #860756 by hardrockminer
Replied by hardrockminer on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
The preferred repair is to use heli coil or time serts.  But first, try using a tap to re-do the threads and look for a longer bolt if there are any remaining threads in the bottom of the hole.  The tap should be M6 by 1.25.  A standard bolt is M6 by 45 mm I think.  

I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Street Fighter LTD

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
19 Jan 2022 13:09 - 19 Jan 2022 13:10 #860760 by Warren3200gt
Replied by Warren3200gt on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
Are they not m6 x 1 metric standard? 


Z1000J2 somewhat modified!

Last edit: 19 Jan 2022 13:10 by Warren3200gt.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Scirocco
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Never change a running system
More
19 Jan 2022 13:36 #860761 by Scirocco
Replied by Scirocco on topic Broke a cam cap on a 78 kz1000... Now what?
A M6 screw/nut has 1,00 mm thread pitch.

The following user(s) said Thank You: SWest, Warren3200gt

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Powered by Kunena Forum