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22 Jun 2013 23:48 #593537 by Flyboy
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Hi All

A friend of mine has asked me to look at his fuel injected GPZ1100.
Apparently he has an issue with it, after a stretch of riding, it will die and not restart, after letting it stand a while, it fires right up and goes fine.
I have been told that this is/was a known problem, and this is not an isolated case.
Any idea on a fix or what causes this?
I know a lot of guys chucked the FI off and fitted carbs, as it was a pretty crappy system anyway, I am not at liberty to do that, as it is not my bike?
Any pointers would be much appreciated.
Many Thanks

There is something otherworldy about experiencing the sound of an air cooled inline four redlined while heeled over at 35 degrees from horizontal, with the slipping rear tire violently trying to shake you from your perch atop the slewing beast..

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23 Jun 2013 00:15 #593543 by MFolks
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I'd check the injector electrical connectors, as they only fire at about 3 volts. Check for corrosion on the FI computer(back in the tail of the bike). Has the TPS ever been cleaned? It's the item with "DFI" on it. To clean, with the Engine off, remove the small SS clip holding the cable to the TPS. Spray some "De-Oxit" or other plastic safe electrical contact cleaner up into the cable opening, while opening and closing the throttle.Let it dry, or use some cumputer "Dust-Off, to speed drying. Re-assemble the cable to the TPS and give it a try.

The TPS is a variable resistance Carbon item, that neds cleaning now and then. Do not use WD-40 on this!

If this did not fix the problem, I've got specs for the engine,and air temperature sensors.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
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23 Jun 2013 00:27 #593546 by Flyboy
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Thanks MFolks
I will definitely check the TPS over, I hve not checked anything yet, the bike is only being dropped off next week, but just trying to get all my ducks in a row and a head start on things.
I thought it may be something electrical that is heating up and shutting down, then when left to cool, works fine again.
I did a long search last night before posting, I was expecting many threads on the issue but came up with nothing, I guess it s not as common a problem as people make it out to be.
I really would appreciate a copy of those sensor values, I will give it a thorough front to back going through.

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23 Jun 2013 00:42 #593547 by MFolks
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I'll have to get back to that tomorrow, as I'm using my wife's computer, and it dosen't like my external hard drive with the FI specs on it.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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23 Jun 2013 00:47 #593549 by Flyboy
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Many thanks.

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23 Jun 2013 01:18 #593551 by MFolks
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What year of bike? The 1981 B1's were a nightmare to keep running correctly with the air box with the resistor flap valve. The 1982 B2's (I've got one myself) were much easier to tune and keep in good running condition.

1982 Kawasaki GPZ1100 B2 ECU Pin out:

I got out my well used service manual and copied the wire pin-out if you are going to use the EFI system.


The connector is numbered left to right with pin #1 on the lower row of pins
with #12 above #1 .

I'll give you the pin-out and wire colors that are viewed from the wire side.

#1 Black/Yellow Ground
#2 Blank
#3 Blank
#4 White/Red Battery +
#5 Blue/Red Sensor Ground
#6 Blue Air Temperature Sensor +
#7 Blue/Yellow Control Unit +
#8 Green Engine Speed
#9 Blank
#10 Gray Engine Temperature +
#11 Blue/White Throttle Opening Angle
#12 Yellow Injector Drive Signal
#13 Blank
#14 Blank
#15 Blank
#16 Black/Green Control Unit Ground
#17 Blue/Orange Throttle Sensor +
#18 Black Engine Speed
#19 Red/Black Starter Signal
#20 Blank
#21 Green/White Fuel Pump Relay Drive Signal


There are three(3) sensors:

1.Engine temperature sensor, mounted on the intake side of the engine, between #1 and #2 cylinder.

2.Air temperature sensor,mounted close to the air filter housing.

3.Throttle Position Sensor or TPS, mounted at the right end of the throttle shaft, a carbon, variable resistor, tells the computer how much throttle is open.

Heres the testing procedure from my factory shop manual:

Kawasaki Fuel Injection Sensor Specs

Air temperature sensor spec(probably the one on the air filter housing, or next to it).

Meter at ohms X 1K ohms ( I use ohms X 2K as it works on my meter)
Disconnect the wiring from the harness, one meter probe to one of the connector pins, the other on the last pin.

Should read 2.0K ohms to 3.0 K ohms at 68 F, if your meter won't read this, try the 20K ohm setting.

A footnote says this reading is true when sensor temperature is 20C (68F), 4.7 K ohms to 7.6 K ohms when 0 C (32 F) and 1.4 K ohms to 2.2 K ohms when 30 C (86 F).

Engine temperature sensor spec:
Again, meter to 2K ohm settings, one meter lead to the push on terminal (remove the wire as it may give a false reading) and the other to a chassis ground(any Black with Yellow stripe wire is part of the ground circuit).

The readings will be the same as the air temperature sensor.

The TPS has an electrical connector, only the first three(3) contacts are used, counting from left to right as you face it.

From my factory shop manual I'm making it easier to get the readings, by using shortcuts).


1. Ignition switch off.

2. Remove the small SS clip holding the cable to the TPS.

3. Using a multimeter set on ohms, range of 2K.

4. Measure between the first electrical contact on the left and the third to the right.

5. It should read between 3.3K ohms to 6.8K ohms.

The next test will cover the range between idle and full throttle:

1. Set the meter's probes on the left contact and the one next to it, as this is the idle position check.

2. Readings should be between 2.1K ohms to 4.2 K ohms

Full throttle check:

1. Same electrical contacts used.

2. With the throttle wide open, readings should be between 0.35 K ohms to 0.71 K ohms, see if the resistance changes smoothly, with no fluctuations or wide variations as the throttle is closed down to the idle position.

3. If there are variations, try cleaning the TPS with the De-Oxit electrical contact cleaner/preservative. Open and close it with the throttle while spraying the cleaner up inside.

4. caig.com - Home of DeoxIT is the website for the electrical contact cleaner/preservative. It can be purchased at Radio Shack Stores and other electronic supply places.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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23 Jun 2013 01:25 #593552 by MFolks
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If the electrical connectors have not been cleaned, read this:


Cleaning Motorcycle Electrics

Get some of the De-Oxit electrical contact cleaner and figure on spending a good day going from the front of the bike to the back. It’s a plastic safe cleaner/preservative. www.deoxit.com is their website.

On the older Kawasaki's, a majority of electrical connectors are inside the headlight housing requiring removal of the headlight,then the fun begins.

Do one set of electrical connectors at a time to avoid mixing up what connects to where. Usually disconnecting, spraying with De-Oxit and reconnecting is about all you'll need.

However, when encountering the green crud of corrosion, a brass wire brush may be needed on the pins you can reach.
Some 400-600 grit wet and dry sandpaper strips rolled into a tube should reach the male and female pins in the more difficult to clean connectors.

Smoker’s pipe cleaners, cotton swabs and wooden toothpicks work as cleaning aids.

Really small electrical connectors may require the use of a welders tip cleaning tool assortment.

Most pins in the connectors are coated with a thin plating of tin, and others may be nothing more than copper or brass.

If moisture is added, the resulting corrosion lowers the voltage/current being carried causing dim lights, slow engine cranking, slow turn signal responce and lower input voltage to the ignition coils resulting in weak spark.

The left and right handlebar switch pods will need attention too as they have circuit functions like turn, horn, run/stop, and start.

Usually a spritz or two with actuation of the switch is about all needed for these switches unless corrosion is detected and then careful disassembly is required.

The ignition switch may or may be not sealed to allow spraying the internal contacts. I urge caution if attempting to open this up as springs, and ball bearings may fly out never to be seen again!

If your bike has the older style glass tubed fuses, I suggest replacing them as vibration can cause internal failure. AGX is the type used, and most auto parts stores can get them for you.

Clean the fuse holder clips, looking for signs of overheating(discolored insulation, signs of melting), I use metal polish on a cotton swab, followed by spraying another clean swab with the De-Oxit and then rubbing the inside of the fuse clip.

Each "Bullet Connector" will have to be sprayed to ensure good connectivity, especially the ones going to the energizing coil of the starter solenoid.

The alternator output “Bullet Connectors” are usually behind the engine sprocket cover and will need inspecting and cleaning too.

The turn signal light sockets will benefit from a spritz from the contact cleaner along with the tail light/brake light socket.

Some brake light switches can be sprayed on the actuating rod, with the spray running down inside to the electrical contacts, others may be sealed requiring replacement if the switch is intermittent in operation.

I think I've covered about all of the electrical systems on the bike.........



I used the De-oxit D-5 spray on all the electrical connections of my 78 Kz1000 that had sat for twenty years .

When I parked the bike in 92 I was starting to have troubles with some of the electrical system,
but after pulling everything apart and giving it a spray , reconnecting the connectors and working them back and forth a few times, then gave them another shot of spray to wash them off before the final reconnection.

Everything still works perfectly and has for over 7000 miles this year.

I am extremely happy with the results , a lot of the connectors were green when I started and after the cleaning they looked new ( shiny gold )

I found the Deoxit D-series, D-5 spray in a 4 oz can at a big electronics store called Frys in Illinois,don't get the small cans at Radio Shack , they are different and meant for computer type stuff.

store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.188/.f

Trust MFolks , the guy's a true rocket scientist and really knows what he's talking about

JD



Why WD-40 Should Not Be Used On Motorcycle Electrical Items.

For many years, I was proponent of the use of WD-40 on fuse clips, fuses, switches and connectors. After hearing of other peoples experience with intermittent and sporadic activity, I shrugged it off as maybe they did something wrong in the application of the product.

It wasn’t until the time I rode my 1982 GPz1100 B2 model to downtown San Diego that I encountered the problems others had gone through.

After concluding my business downtown, I walked to where my bike was parked, turned the key to unlock the forks, and prepared to start the engine. The key was in the "On" position, yet I had no lights in the dash panel, the fuel pump was not running(I have FI), and the horn and tail light were not working.


Stumped as to why nothing electrical was happening, I remember my earlier conversations about how WD-40 will over time become a non-conductor(more like an insulator). I had some pieces of 400 and 600 grit sandpaper in my tool kit and with them was able to scratch away the coating from the WD-40 on the fuses and clips.

After removing the insulating film, the bike started and ran like it should. Since that time, I’ve told people about the problem with WD-40. If you must use a contact cleaner, I recommend getting some "De-oxit" from Radio Shack Stores or any good electronic supply store.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
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23 Jun 2013 03:25 #593561 by Flyboy
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SUPER STAR

WOW. many, many thanks.

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23 Jun 2013 15:25 #593599 by steell
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Flyboy?? Take up another hobby? :)

KD9JUR

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23 Jun 2013 15:36 #593601 by Flyboy
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Hey Steell, not with you, not sure what you mean???

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23 Jun 2013 15:42 #593602 by Flyndrive
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Check the vent in the fuel cap. Mine isn't FI but it did something like that found out the vent was plugged making a vacuum in the take so no fuel would flow. ALWAYS check the easy stuff first!!

1980 KZ 550A1
1985 GPZ 900R

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23 Jun 2013 15:52 #593603 by MFolks
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If the FI runs rich, look at the one way return valve(on the bottom,right side of the tank)as it it's clogged, it usually makes the engine foul sparkplugs.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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