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Intake idea

23 Apr 2024 18:32
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So the filter box for my KZ440 LTD is broken. I'm thinking of building a custom intake setup and was wondering if anyone has done something similar OR has insight for my idea.

Basically I want to connect a 42mm ID silicone hose to each carburetor, with a pod filter on the end. Then I want to add a smaller "bridge" hose in between the two 42mm hoses in a sort of H shape. My logic behind it is that will help equalize the airflow/help with vacuum. 

 

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Re: Intake idea

23 Apr 2024 19:37
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Seems like that would add turbulence to the incoming air. Also, one filter will flow more air than a carb can use, so I do not see the advantage of adding more flow.
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Re: Intake idea

23 Apr 2024 20:37
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Kz750 twins have a hose connecting each intake but it’s behind the carb on the cylinder head side. It’s just a hose that connect the two vacuum ports that you use for syncing the carbs.  

this guy made his own air box
kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/599569-custom-air-box-for-kz440
 

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Re: Intake idea

23 Apr 2024 20:40
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Back in the day, I had an XS400 Yamaha.  The stock air filters were quite expensive, so I bought two cheep uni pods, and clamped them onto the stock intake runner tubes, in a configuration much like you reference.  The bike ran fine.  Much better in fact than with the pods attached to the carbs.  That was a nightmare.  

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Re: Intake idea

24 Apr 2024 04:39
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Seems like that would add turbulence to the incoming air. Also, one filter will flow more air than a carb can use, so I do not see the advantage of adding more flow.
I was thinking it would help with the whole vacuum issue people talk about. Good point about the filters allowing to much air though. Maybe I can come up with some sort of Y pipe instead.

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Re: Intake idea

24 Apr 2024 04:39
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Kz750 twins have a hose connecting each intake but it’s behind the carb on the cylinder head side. It’s just a hose that connect the two vacuum ports that you use for syncing the carbs.  

this guy made his own air box
kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/599569-custom-air-box-for-kz440

 
Ahh that's very interesting. Its too bad these CV36 carbs don't have that option otherwise that would make this super simple. 
I did see that airbox post, pretty neat. I just want something even simpler/lighter.

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Re: Intake idea

24 Apr 2024 04:40
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Back in the day, I had an XS400 Yamaha.  The stock air filters were quite expensive, so I bought two cheep uni pods, and clamped them onto the stock intake runner tubes, in a configuration much like you reference.  The bike ran fine.  Much better in fact than with the pods attached to the carbs.  That was a nightmare.  
Yeah basically from what I'm seeing the CV36 carbs need that intake runner spacing to work properly. I guess it just comes down to needing the bridging hose or not.
 

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24 Apr 2024 05:18
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My personal opinion is that the bridging hose is an unnecessary complication with no tangible benfit
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Re: Intake idea

24 Apr 2024 08:11 - 24 Apr 2024 08:23
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Try it out. Take notes.
Change the pipe size. Take notes.
Remember, the carbs don't just suck. They blow too.

I used an oscilloscope to balance my carbs 2 weeks ago.
The pulses at the carburetor look like a sawtooth pattern.
Alternating between vacuum and pressure.

I guess i should put the pressure sensor in the airbox to see what the pressure/vacuum looks like on this side of the carb.
It's probably more subdued as it's a larger mass of air.

More testing I guess.

 
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Re: Intake idea

24 Apr 2024 09:38
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Try it out. Take notes.
Change the pipe size. Take notes.
Remember, the carbs don't just suck. They blow too.

I used an oscilloscope to balance my carbs 2 weeks ago.
The pulses at the carburetor look like a sawtooth pattern.
Alternating between vacuum and pressure.

I guess i should put the pressure sensor in the airbox to see what the pressure/vacuum looks like on this side of the carb.
It's probably more subdued as it's a larger mass of air.

More testing I guess.

 
Now that is some quality data

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Re: Intake idea

24 Apr 2024 13:25
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Just to add more info for those interested, I have found this article of interest. It addresses both intake and exhaust modifications and how some improve things and how some do not. I am not claiming it is the end all for either intake or exhaust changes but rather I found it of interest.
bmwmotorcycletech.info/InExTuning.htm  
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Re: Intake idea

24 Apr 2024 13:31
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Below is the XS400 Yamaha airbox runner configuration.  Other than length of the runners, very similar to what the OP is proposing...

 
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