Intake idea
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Intake idea
23 Apr 2024 18:32
So the filter box for my KZ440 LTD is broken. I'm thinking of building a custom intake setup and was wondering if anyone has done something similar OR has insight for my idea.
Basically I want to connect a 42mm ID silicone hose to each carburetor, with a pod filter on the end. Then I want to add a smaller "bridge" hose in between the two 42mm hoses in a sort of H shape. My logic behind it is that will help equalize the airflow/help with vacuum.
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Basically I want to connect a 42mm ID silicone hose to each carburetor, with a pod filter on the end. Then I want to add a smaller "bridge" hose in between the two 42mm hoses in a sort of H shape. My logic behind it is that will help equalize the airflow/help with vacuum.
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Re: Intake idea
23 Apr 2024 19:37
Seems like that would add turbulence to the incoming air. Also, one filter will flow more air than a carb can use, so I do not see the advantage of adding more flow.
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Re: Intake idea
23 Apr 2024 20:37
Kz750 twins have a hose connecting each intake but it’s behind the carb on the cylinder head side. It’s just a hose that connect the two vacuum ports that you use for syncing the carbs.
this guy made his own air box
kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/599569-custom-air-box-for-kz440
this guy made his own air box
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Re: Intake idea
23 Apr 2024 20:40
Back in the day, I had an XS400 Yamaha. The stock air filters were quite expensive, so I bought two cheep uni pods, and clamped them onto the stock intake runner tubes, in a configuration much like you reference. The bike ran fine. Much better in fact than with the pods attached to the carbs. That was a nightmare.
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Re: Intake idea
24 Apr 2024 04:39I was thinking it would help with the whole vacuum issue people talk about. Good point about the filters allowing to much air though. Maybe I can come up with some sort of Y pipe instead.Seems like that would add turbulence to the incoming air. Also, one filter will flow more air than a carb can use, so I do not see the advantage of adding more flow.
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24 Apr 2024 04:39Ahh that's very interesting. Its too bad these CV36 carbs don't have that option otherwise that would make this super simple.Kz750 twins have a hose connecting each intake but it’s behind the carb on the cylinder head side. It’s just a hose that connect the two vacuum ports that you use for syncing the carbs.
this guy made his own air box
kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/599569-custom-air-box-for-kz440
I did see that airbox post, pretty neat. I just want something even simpler/lighter.
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Re: Intake idea
24 Apr 2024 04:40Yeah basically from what I'm seeing the CV36 carbs need that intake runner spacing to work properly. I guess it just comes down to needing the bridging hose or not.Back in the day, I had an XS400 Yamaha. The stock air filters were quite expensive, so I bought two cheep uni pods, and clamped them onto the stock intake runner tubes, in a configuration much like you reference. The bike ran fine. Much better in fact than with the pods attached to the carbs. That was a nightmare.
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Re: Intake idea
24 Apr 2024 05:18
My personal opinion is that the bridging hose is an unnecessary complication with no tangible benfit
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Re: Intake idea
24 Apr 2024 08:11 - 24 Apr 2024 08:23
Try it out. Take notes.
Change the pipe size. Take notes.
Remember, the carbs don't just suck. They blow too.
I used an oscilloscope to balance my carbs 2 weeks ago.
The pulses at the carburetor look like a sawtooth pattern.
Alternating between vacuum and pressure.
I guess i should put the pressure sensor in the airbox to see what the pressure/vacuum looks like on this side of the carb.
It's probably more subdued as it's a larger mass of air.
More testing I guess.
Change the pipe size. Take notes.
Remember, the carbs don't just suck. They blow too.
I used an oscilloscope to balance my carbs 2 weeks ago.
The pulses at the carburetor look like a sawtooth pattern.
Alternating between vacuum and pressure.
I guess i should put the pressure sensor in the airbox to see what the pressure/vacuum looks like on this side of the carb.
It's probably more subdued as it's a larger mass of air.
More testing I guess.
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Re: Intake idea
24 Apr 2024 09:38Now that is some quality dataTry it out. Take notes.
Change the pipe size. Take notes.
Remember, the carbs don't just suck. They blow too.
I used an oscilloscope to balance my carbs 2 weeks ago.
The pulses at the carburetor look like a sawtooth pattern.
Alternating between vacuum and pressure.
I guess i should put the pressure sensor in the airbox to see what the pressure/vacuum looks like on this side of the carb.
It's probably more subdued as it's a larger mass of air.
More testing I guess.
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Re: Intake idea
24 Apr 2024 13:25
Just to add more info for those interested, I have found this article of interest. It addresses both intake and exhaust modifications and how some improve things and how some do not. I am not claiming it is the end all for either intake or exhaust changes but rather I found it of interest.
bmwmotorcycletech.info/InExTuning.htm
bmwmotorcycletech.info/InExTuning.htm
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Re: Intake idea
24 Apr 2024 13:31
Below is the XS400 Yamaha airbox runner configuration. Other than length of the runners, very similar to what the OP is proposing...
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