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Mikuni vm 29mm smoothbore pilots
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31 Jul 2023 19:43 #887756
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Mikuni vm 29mm smoothbore pilots was created by richard
There is mention of late model mikuni 29s recommending 25 pilots for the kz900
seems big ,I've always used 17.5
Can anyone point out the difference between the early and late model
Is it best to use the 17.5 in the late model 29s in my stock kz900 application
seems big ,I've always used 17.5
Can anyone point out the difference between the early and late model
Is it best to use the 17.5 in the late model 29s in my stock kz900 application
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31 Jul 2023 19:46 #887757
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What is a "late model" VM29"?
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31 Jul 2023 21:13 #887759
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That could depend on the slides, air jets, etc.
Steve
www.jetsrus.com/carburetor/carb_mikuni_V...oded_view_parts.html
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www.jetsrus.com/carburetor/carb_mikuni_V...oded_view_parts.html
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01 Aug 2023 09:42 #887777
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1977 KZ650 B1
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Replied by gd4now on topic Mikuni vm 29mm smoothbore pilots
I think this info, that posted by OP, came from jetting guides from both Z1 ent and Sudco, as both do indicate larger pilot jets. I did a rather quick search for this info but did not find it on the newer Z1 ent site. In the past I did pull down tet from both sites, Here they are
z1 enterpirse jetting guide from www.z1enterprises.com/reference/z1-carb-guide.aspx
Below is a reference of jet settings for the 29mm carb on Z1 / KZ engines. This is a good starting point for a bike with 4-1 exhaust, after market cams (up to 0.410" lift) and high compression pistons (approx 10.5:1). Each bike setup is different, so actual settings will vary.
We have included the Honda CB750 settings as a reference. You will notice the similarity of setup - so.... if you can find a set of 29mm carbs off a CB750, they should work on a Z1. The same is not so true with smoothbores setup for the Suzuki GS range. The slide cutaway is different (2mm) - yes, you can still buy new slides, but they are expensive.
28mm (VM28SC) Z1 & early Z1-A
Main Jet 112.5
Air Jet 1.0
Needle Jet P-8
Jet Needle 5J9-3 - last number is the clip position where 1 is at the top of the needle (leanest) and 5 is at the bottom (richest)
Throttle valve (slide) 2.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 20.0
Air Screw setting 1 1/2 turns out
28mm (VM28SC) Late Z1-A & all Z1-B
Main Jet 112.5
Air Jet 1.0
Needle Jet O-8
Jet Needle 5J9-2 (last number is the clip position)
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 17.5
Air Screw setting 1 1/4 turns out
26mm (VM26SS) KZ900A4 & A5
Main Jet 115
Air Jet 1.0
Needle Jet O-6
Jet Needle 5DL31-3 (last number is the clip position)
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 17.5
Air Screw setting 1 3/8 turns out
29mm smoothbores Z1 / KZ900 / KZ1000
Main Jet 120
Air Jet 0.9
Needle Jet O-6
Jet Needle 5DL31-3
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 17.5 or 20.0 (or 25 in the later versions)
Air Screw setting 1 1/2 turns out
29mm smoothbores CB750
Main Jet 115
Air Jet 0.9
Needle Jet O-6
Jet Needle 5DL31-3
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 17.5 or 20.0 (or 25 in the later versions)
Air Screw setting 1 1/2 turns out
29mm smoothbores KZ650
Main Jet 105
Air Jet 0.9
Needle Jet O-4
Jet Needle 5DL31-3
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 15
Air Screw setting 1 1/2 turns out
FROM SUDCO
Application Carb
Model Main Jet Air Jet Pilot Jet Jet Needle Jet Float Throttle Valve N100.604 BS30/97 VM22/210 Needle #261 Series Height VM29/15
Honda CB750 (SOHC) -1978 VM29-A2 #115 .9 #17.5 #5DL31-3 0-8 23mm 1.5
Kawasaki KZ650 (77-79) VM29-A7 #120 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 1.5
Kawasaki KZ900 (76-77) VM29-A7 #120 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 1.5
Kawasaki KZ1000 (77-80) VM29-A7 #120 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 1.5
Suzuki GS750 2-Valve (77-79) VM29-A12 #115 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 2.0
Suzuki GS1000 2-Valve (78-79) VM29-A12 #115 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 2.0
Float Height All sizes 17mm
z1 enterpirse jetting guide from www.z1enterprises.com/reference/z1-carb-guide.aspx
Below is a reference of jet settings for the 29mm carb on Z1 / KZ engines. This is a good starting point for a bike with 4-1 exhaust, after market cams (up to 0.410" lift) and high compression pistons (approx 10.5:1). Each bike setup is different, so actual settings will vary.
We have included the Honda CB750 settings as a reference. You will notice the similarity of setup - so.... if you can find a set of 29mm carbs off a CB750, they should work on a Z1. The same is not so true with smoothbores setup for the Suzuki GS range. The slide cutaway is different (2mm) - yes, you can still buy new slides, but they are expensive.
28mm (VM28SC) Z1 & early Z1-A
Main Jet 112.5
Air Jet 1.0
Needle Jet P-8
Jet Needle 5J9-3 - last number is the clip position where 1 is at the top of the needle (leanest) and 5 is at the bottom (richest)
Throttle valve (slide) 2.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 20.0
Air Screw setting 1 1/2 turns out
28mm (VM28SC) Late Z1-A & all Z1-B
Main Jet 112.5
Air Jet 1.0
Needle Jet O-8
Jet Needle 5J9-2 (last number is the clip position)
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 17.5
Air Screw setting 1 1/4 turns out
26mm (VM26SS) KZ900A4 & A5
Main Jet 115
Air Jet 1.0
Needle Jet O-6
Jet Needle 5DL31-3 (last number is the clip position)
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 17.5
Air Screw setting 1 3/8 turns out
29mm smoothbores Z1 / KZ900 / KZ1000
Main Jet 120
Air Jet 0.9
Needle Jet O-6
Jet Needle 5DL31-3
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 17.5 or 20.0 (or 25 in the later versions)
Air Screw setting 1 1/2 turns out
29mm smoothbores CB750
Main Jet 115
Air Jet 0.9
Needle Jet O-6
Jet Needle 5DL31-3
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 17.5 or 20.0 (or 25 in the later versions)
Air Screw setting 1 1/2 turns out
29mm smoothbores KZ650
Main Jet 105
Air Jet 0.9
Needle Jet O-4
Jet Needle 5DL31-3
Throttle valve (slide) 1.5mm cutaway
Pilot Jet 15
Air Screw setting 1 1/2 turns out
FROM SUDCO
Application Carb
Model Main Jet Air Jet Pilot Jet Jet Needle Jet Float Throttle Valve N100.604 BS30/97 VM22/210 Needle #261 Series Height VM29/15
Honda CB750 (SOHC) -1978 VM29-A2 #115 .9 #17.5 #5DL31-3 0-8 23mm 1.5
Kawasaki KZ650 (77-79) VM29-A7 #120 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 1.5
Kawasaki KZ900 (76-77) VM29-A7 #120 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 1.5
Kawasaki KZ1000 (77-80) VM29-A7 #120 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 1.5
Suzuki GS750 2-Valve (77-79) VM29-A12 #115 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 2.0
Suzuki GS1000 2-Valve (78-79) VM29-A12 #115 .9 #25 #5DL31-3 0-6 23mm 2.0
Float Height All sizes 17mm
1977 KZ650 B1
Pods and Denco header
OLD KAW OWNERS SMILE ALOT
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01 Aug 2023 13:27 #887783
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On my Z1B, 1015CC, 29 pumpers i use 115 mains and 17.5 pilots, airs crew 1 turn out.
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