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12 Dec 2022 16:10 #877744 by LukasLee
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I bought a "79 KZ1000 LTD from a fellow in mid October (not running carbs were off of it). He said it wasn't running properly but he never opened up the carbs, when I took the carbs apart they had lots of rust in them, so I cleaned them up put them on the bike & it fired right up, runs & idles well on the side stand but there is a foot of snow on the ground so I won't be test driving it for awhile. He also gave me a work order from the season before from a shop that put pods on, jetted, & dynoed it, along with a rack of Z12 carbs less the bowls. The story is that the Z12 carbs that were on it (research tells me they were not stock on a '79) had one slide stuck so they didn't use them, they used a set of VM26's from a GS750 & the bowls from the Z12"s. I spoke to the shop that did the work & they said the bike was running good after they tuned it. 
I have since fixed the problem with the slide on the Z12 carb but they will still need to be cleaned & jetted if I were to use them. One thing I'm not fond of with the GS carbs is they have both air & fuel adjustment screws. (more tuning headaches ?)
Research tells me the Z12"s are not the stock carbs to that bike, were used on the 900"s, but I read somewhere that they are supposed to be very good carbs & are commonly used on KZ1000"s.
So I guess my question is, should I rebuild the Z12's & put them on, or just go with the GS carbs if they run OK ?
 

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12 Dec 2022 16:52 #877749 by Nessism
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Since the GS carbs were dyno tuned, and supposedly run well, I'd run them.  Assuming you got the rust out, they should be fine.  The GS version VM's are very similar to the KZ version, so it's not like they are inferior carbs or anything.  Regarding the other set, I'd rebuild those too.  Why not?  Save them for a rainy day.  Oh, and figure out where that rust came from and fix it.  I'm guessing your gas tank.  

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12 Dec 2022 18:46 #877753 by LukasLee
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The gas tank has been cleaned & coated (kind of bluish color) I don't think it's had gas in it since, so the previous owner must have known the problem. Lots of holes in his story when I bought it. I think he must have played around with the air & fuel screws, they ranged from 1/4 turn out to 2 1/2  so I will probably have to adjust them when I hit the street, for now I set them all at 1 1/2 turns. I think I will rebuild the Z12 carbs & look for some float bowls for them. 

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12 Dec 2022 19:02 #877754 by Nessism
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Typically, the pilot fuel screw should be set at about 7/8 of one turn, and the air screw 1.5.  Those are reasonable starting points anyway.

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12 Dec 2022 20:50 #877755 by LukasLee
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OK thanks, I wasn't sure where to start with on the adjustment screws. 

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13 Dec 2022 04:43 #877759 by hardrockminer
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I'm not sure what you mean by "Z12" carbs.  Do you mean Z1?  There were different versions of them.  Could you provide a photo?

 

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13 Dec 2022 05:06 #877761 by Wookie58
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I'm not sure what you mean by "Z12" carbs.  Do you mean Z1?  There were different versions of them.  Could you provide a photo?


 
My guess would be Z1R 

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13 Dec 2022 05:10 - 13 Dec 2022 05:27 #877762 by Nessism
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I think he's referring to the code stamped into the flange of the carb.  Z12 00 to be more specific.  These are late 900 carbs.  They have pilot air screws, a joining plate across the top, and some slightly different bits as compared to the later VM26's.  
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13 Dec 2022 09:02 - 13 Dec 2022 09:03 #877770 by hardrockminer
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The 79 LTD used VM26SS carbs.  The cutaway was 2 mm, while the cutaway on the KZ900 carbs was 1.5 mm.  Check your cutaway to see which ones you have.  If they are from a KZ900 they are in my opinion the best version of all of the VM26SS carbs used in KZ900/1000 bikes from that era.  I have them on my 1980 LTD 1000.  Once again...photos would be quite helpful.

I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.
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13 Dec 2022 12:40 - 13 Dec 2022 16:02 #877785 by LukasLee
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They are as Nessism has described,

1979 KZ1000 LTD
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13 Dec 2022 12:50 #877786 by LukasLee
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Yes the Z12 over 00 is the # on the flange.
What is the carb cutaway ?
I just took a pic of the one carb I separated from the rack, there is a plate that attaches to the top of all the carbs
There is no accelerator pump on these or the GS carbs

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13 Dec 2022 15:32 - 13 Dec 2022 15:38 #877790 by hardrockminer
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The cutaway is that missing section on the bottom of the slide.  There should be a number on the slide...I think on the bottom.  It will either be 1.5 or 2.0.  

I can see the air/fuel adjuster on the intake side of the carb.  This is evidence of them being from a KZ900.

I noticed a date code on one of the photos.  65.  That means either June/75 or May/76.  In either case it points to those being from a KZ900.  The cutaway will be definitive.

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