Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
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Re: Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
21 Mar 2020 13:04 - 21 Mar 2020 13:06Mikaw wrote:calum wrote: To confirm that it's an issue with the floats you could just set the petcock to prime. If it doesn't overflow then the float height should be fine.
Not a true statement. Don’t trust the measurement method. It’s just to get you close. The only true float level is achieved by the wet method as Baldy110 states. Been there done it. Truly a PITA. COMPLETELY WORTH IT
Yeah, I probably didn't word that very well. I was assuming that the float level had been set as the OP said he had done it. I just meant that if the floats were sticking causing the fuel to overflow then this would also happen when the petcock is set to prime (or just on for a non-vacuum job). I didn't mean that the float levels are fine if you don't have fuel in you air box
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Re: Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
22 Mar 2020 17:26
Thanks for all the info. Gonna go with a carb issue. All are firing. Plug wires are correct as the boot lenghts are different (got it backwards one time last year). No leaking from the bowls and they are full. So gonna pull amd blow air through them. As i did this last night and now its only cylinder 3 that is shooting fuel out of it. Thanks again for everything. Really like this forum.
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24 Mar 2020 12:49
Im having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea. The float bowl is full and not over flowing while sitting with the pet cock on. Once the bike starts I can feel air and sprays of fuel on my hand. If I let it run then it will start to drip fuel from the carb itself no the leaking from over flow or gasket area. How does this connect to float height?
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24 Mar 2020 13:01
I just went back and read your first post. Did you check the valve lash and cam timing after you did the rebuild?
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24 Mar 2020 13:22
If its only that single carb leaking I would remove the bowl and check out the float needle. Maybe its damaged, sticking or it's upside down.
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Re: Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
24 Mar 2020 13:38 - 24 Mar 2020 13:39
I tend to side with Mikaw on this. I can't see how a carb issue would cause airflow back out of the carbs. Can only really see that happening if the intake valve is opening too early. Can't come up with a reason that this would only happen on one cylinder, though.
Really interested to see what is causing this (not very helpful, I know...).
Really interested to see what is causing this (not very helpful, I know...).
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Re: Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
24 Mar 2020 13:46calum wrote: Can't come up with a reason that this would only happen on one cylinder, though
Good point. Just trying to cover the basics, and look at things that were disrupted. Carbs could be the issue if they were stored wrong during the rebuild. Just my way of diagnosis I look at things that are different.
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Re: Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
24 Mar 2020 13:49
I just wanted to come back and edit my post
If the valve clearance is way off (e.g. no clearance) on the #3 intake valve, then the valve will never close. I was just thinking about the timing before, not the valve clearance.
If the valve clearance is way off (e.g. no clearance) on the #3 intake valve, then the valve will never close. I was just thinking about the timing before, not the valve clearance.
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Re: Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
24 Mar 2020 14:06calum wrote: I just wanted to come back and edit my post
If the valve clearance is way off (e.g. no clearance) on the #3 intake valve, then the valve will never close. I was just thinking about the timing before, not the valve clearance.
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Re: Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
25 Mar 2020 08:19
OK I am going crazy. Pulled the carbs (again) cleaned and blew air through them. Rolled motor to TDC. Marks are correct 28th pin count is correct. Rolled the motor over (clockwise never counter) used my camera and can see the valves fully open at the correct lobe positioning through the spark plug. When running I hear no odd noises but the puffs coming from cylinder 3 then the dripping. Might set this thing off to the side and let it collect some dust for a bit.
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Re: Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
25 Mar 2020 08:21
I will go through and double check everything. Thanks.
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Re: Carbs sending fuel into filter not cylinder
25 Mar 2020 16:25
Things I would check:
- Is cylinder 3 firing?
- Is it running as hot as the others?
- Valve clearance on intake #3
- Compression on 3 (maybe the intake valve isn't seating/sealing properly)
- Is cylinder 3 firing?
- Is it running as hot as the others?
- Valve clearance on intake #3
- Compression on 3 (maybe the intake valve isn't seating/sealing properly)
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