Which Carbs for KZ 900 motor?

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28 Jun 2016 14:17 - 28 Jun 2016 14:19 #733173 by nitrokeeb
Which Carbs for KZ 900 motor? was created by nitrokeeb
So the previous owner replaced the stock carbs with a set of CV34's off an KZ1000 police bike. It's a '78 LTD, but the motor is a '76 KZ900 that was supposedly rebuilt. Any internal mods are unknown. The carbs are running K&N Pods, and exhaust is a Delkavic running the outer glasspack only (no inner baffle tube). Previous owner claimed that the jets were stock to the carbs, the only thing he did was snyc them, and shim the needles. Since getting the bike back on the road I have adjusted the idle screws. Ignition was recently changed to dyna S, with Accel Coils. I initially had a plug wire/coil arcing to the frame due to lack of proper boots. (I actually used a 1/2 inch section of vacuum line as spacers as the old boots were too big for the coil, not thinking that vacuum line is conductive). I've now installed new boots and terminals, as well as lowering plug gap from .045 to .035. I believe the ignition to be sorted.

Current performance: Bike starts on half choke, and I usually turn the choke off after 1/8 of a mile. Not cold blooded at all. Idle is smooth. Bike runs well as long I as ease onto the throttle. Anything more than 1/3 throttle at 2k rpm leads to a sputtering/break up condition. Seems to clear up about 5k rpm and takes off! From what I read on CV carbs and pods, as well as issues using CV carbs on older bikes, I think this an issue with the needle taper/lift.

I do not know if an airbox would be practical in this situation. The stock airbox would not fit the larger carbs without modification, and a later airbox may not fit my frame. A Dynojet kit is said to mask most issues arising from pods on a CV carb, but would not necessarily provide the metering needed for the 900. I've read that CV34 carbs from a GPZ750 are a better match. Would it be possible or advisable to used a Dnyojet kit designed for the 750 in the police carbs?

I did receive the old vm26 carbs along with the bike original motor (in multiple boxes). I know that these are supposed to be easier to tune, and I don't think I would be giving up a lot of performance. The condition is unknown. Converting back to the VM's would cost more than a Dynojet kit. $70 carb holders, $80 rebuild kits, $30 new throttle cables, and whatever the different size pods cost.

So what would the best approach be? I'm looking for good driveability and throttle response. Don't care much about picking up a few extra horsepower at redline.

1978 KZ1000B LTD w/KZ900 engine
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28 Jun 2016 17:01 #733186 by nitrokeeb
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Their condition is unknown. I'm saving them as a last resort as I hate to spend that much on carbs that'll be a a limiting factor if I decide to make any mods in the future.

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28 Jun 2016 17:55 #733191 by Nessism
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I'd get the Dynojet kit for the BS34's. You may have to play with the mains but the rest should be close. Hope you have real K&N's and not those Emgo junkers.

Of course you should freshen up the carbs while doing the work. Get new Orings from cycleorings.com and find the rebuild tutorial I've posted half a dozen times in the past. It will hold your hand through the rebuild process.

Shortcuts are long cuts when it comes to carbs so do it right the first time to save wasted time.

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29 Jun 2016 13:17 #733291 by nitrokeeb
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They are genuine K&N filters. They don't have the lip that the cheap ones do, but I do wish I could swap them for a smaller set so I could use the Z1 side covers I picked up.

I was hoping I would be able to use the Dynojet kit, but I was hoping that someone could confirm it worked with my application. I've searched for threads specifying cv34 on a 900, but havne't found much.

Also, there are no kit number for a KZ100p. Other kits for CV34 carbs include:
2303.003
Stage 3
U.S Models Only
1982-85 Kawasaki GPZ750
Stage 3
This includes:
4 Main Jets DJ180
4 Main Jets DJ185
1 Slide Drills DD #31
4 Fuel Needles DNO302
4 Adjusting Washers DW0001
4 E-clips DE0001
4 Air Corrector Jets DCO302
1 Tool DT002
1 Glue DA0001
1 Plug Drill DD #5/32
1 Screw DS0001

2301.003
U.S Models Only
1981-82 Kawasaki KZ1000
LTD,CSR
Stage 3
Which includes
4 Main Jet DJ155
4 Main Jet DJ160
4 Main Jet DJ165
4 Fuel Needle DNO311
8 Adjusting Washer DW0001
4 E-clips DE0001
4 Air Corrector Jets DCO302
1 Tool DT002
1 Slide Drill DD #7/64
1 Plug Drill DD #5/32
1 Screw DS0001
1 Glue DA0001

2134.002
U.S Models Only
1981-83 Kawasaki KZ1000
Stage 1&3

Which includes
4 Main Jet DJ122
4 Main Jet DJ126
4 Main Jet DJ134
4 Main Jet DJ138
4 Fuel Needle DNT406
8 Adjusting Washer DW0001
4 E-clips DE0001
1 Plug Drill DD #5/32
1 Screw DS0001
1 Slide Drill DD #37
1 Main Air Jet Drill DD #58

The last two, KZ1000 and LTD/CSR, I thought used the exact same motor. Yet all three kits include entirely different jets/needles. I may try and call them, but I doubt they'll be happy to guess on my carb/year hybrid.

1978 KZ1000B LTD w/KZ900 engine

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30 Jun 2016 06:11 #733366 by nitrokeeb
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Not too surprised, this was dynojet's response.

Josh,
Thank you for contacting Dynojet Research, we appreciate your interest and support of our products. We have never made a jet kit specifically for this bike. The other kits were designed to work on those specific bikes. You potentially can use parts from any of our jet kits to custom tune your bike, but our recommended settings would be wrong.

You would be doing the same basic thing we do, test different parts, and see which work the best. We do this testing on a dyno, and measure horsepower, torque, and air fuel ratio to get the best results.

I have no idea which of our kits would be the best starting point, nor what , if anything else you might need. Sorry.

Roy Hartman
Power Vision Technical Support Specialist

rhartman@dynojet.com

1978 KZ1000B LTD w/KZ900 engine

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