KZ 1000P Stalls at Stop
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Re: KZ 1000P Stalls at Stop
14 Apr 2016 10:26
Does the filter have a paper or metal element?
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Re: KZ 1000P Stalls at Stop
14 Apr 2016 11:00pete greek1 wrote: Does the filter have a paper or metal element?
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Re: KZ 1000P Stalls at Stop
14 Apr 2016 14:38
Routine maintenance, valves ignition,etc.
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Re: KZ 1000P Stalls at Stop
16 Apr 2016 20:08jakedude wrote: Check your spark plugs. If you are too rich they will be fouled black.
Here they are. What should I do now?
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Re: KZ 1000P Stalls at Stop
16 Apr 2016 20:42
Have you adjusted your valves yet?
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17 Apr 2016 07:14
First, Steve is correct and you should start by checking and adjusting your valves, So if you don't have a service manual, buy one, and keep up on your basic maintenance. If you don't, you are just wasting your time by owning a KZ1000p and the time of every active participant on this forum.
Having said that, you are obviously running very rich. I would start by cleaning and checking the gap on your plugs. Just use a small wire brush and some brake cleaner. I wouldn't buy new plugs until you get your carb problem figured out. Next, I would adjust the pilot screws on your carbs. Screw them all the way in gently. Just get them lightly finger tight, and then back them out two and a half turns. Put your bike on it's center stand, put it in neutral, put a box fan between the front wheel and the motor and start it up. Let it warm up for a minute or two. Then quickly rev he throttle and drop it. The RPM should quickly drop to idle. If it drops slowly then tighten the pilot screws, a half turn and try it again. If you tighten the pilot screws too much when you drop the throttle the rpm will drop below idle for a short time or even die.
Having said the above, you should also balance the carbs. I recommend the tool shown here. . After balancing the carbs adjust the pilot screws again.
Also make sure the bike isn't flooding. I would do that by putting the petcock on prime with the bike off and then wait at least half an hour if there is gas in the air box or dripping out of the carbs then your floats are stopping the fuel when the float bowls are full. If that is the case I recommend you change your oil. Likely you have gas in the oil because when you flood the carbs, gas also flow into your cylinders and gets in your oil.
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So again...
1) adjust the valves.
2) clean your spark plugs.
3) make sure you are not flooding
4) if you are, change the oil and fix your carb floats and float needles.
5) adjust the pilot screws
6) balance the carbs
7) ride
lather rinse and repeat steps 4, 5, and 6.
9) get new spark plugs.
Having said that, you are obviously running very rich. I would start by cleaning and checking the gap on your plugs. Just use a small wire brush and some brake cleaner. I wouldn't buy new plugs until you get your carb problem figured out. Next, I would adjust the pilot screws on your carbs. Screw them all the way in gently. Just get them lightly finger tight, and then back them out two and a half turns. Put your bike on it's center stand, put it in neutral, put a box fan between the front wheel and the motor and start it up. Let it warm up for a minute or two. Then quickly rev he throttle and drop it. The RPM should quickly drop to idle. If it drops slowly then tighten the pilot screws, a half turn and try it again. If you tighten the pilot screws too much when you drop the throttle the rpm will drop below idle for a short time or even die.
Having said the above, you should also balance the carbs. I recommend the tool shown here. . After balancing the carbs adjust the pilot screws again.
Also make sure the bike isn't flooding. I would do that by putting the petcock on prime with the bike off and then wait at least half an hour if there is gas in the air box or dripping out of the carbs then your floats are stopping the fuel when the float bowls are full. If that is the case I recommend you change your oil. Likely you have gas in the oil because when you flood the carbs, gas also flow into your cylinders and gets in your oil.
Aren't you glad you asked?
So again...
1) adjust the valves.
2) clean your spark plugs.
3) make sure you are not flooding
4) if you are, change the oil and fix your carb floats and float needles.
5) adjust the pilot screws
6) balance the carbs
7) ride
lather rinse and repeat steps 4, 5, and 6.
9) get new spark plugs.
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Re: KZ 1000P Stalls at Stop
17 Apr 2016 10:05
You should probably avoid using a metal wire brush to clean spark plugs.
The porcelain insulator is like a fine grinding stone and will grind the metal off the wire bristles....depositing metal in the insulator, creating a high voltage path to ground, reducing spark efficiency. Etc.
Carborundum grit blasting is OK.
The porcelain insulator is like a fine grinding stone and will grind the metal off the wire bristles....depositing metal in the insulator, creating a high voltage path to ground, reducing spark efficiency. Etc.
Carborundum grit blasting is OK.
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Re: KZ 1000P Stalls at Stop
17 Apr 2016 23:50 - 17 Apr 2016 23:51bl_francis wrote: . . . seemed to be running just fine last week when I went on my long ride. . . .
Would perform clear tube tests to assure fuel levels are within specs.
Even where all other carb settings are otherwise perfect, a too high fuel level can produce an excessively rich mixture.
It might be that too high fuel levels have gradually permitted the spark plugs to load up with carbon and soot (resulting from uncombusted gasoline) which eventually has caused failure of combustion or partial failure of combustion in one or more cylinders.
Sometimes, brand new spark plugs will temporarily mask the over-rich condition by allowing seemingly acceptable performance for a few miles, or longer, depending on just how overly rich the too high fuel level is producing.
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19 Apr 2016 07:01Patton wrote:bl_francis wrote: . . . seemed to be running just fine last week when I went on my long ride. . . .
Would perform clear tube tests to assure fuel levels are within specs.
Even where all other carb settings are otherwise perfect, a too high fuel level can produce an excessively rich mixture.
It might be that too high fuel levels have gradually permitted the spark plugs to load up with carbon and soot (resulting from uncombusted gasoline) which eventually has caused failure of combustion or partial failure of combustion in one or more cylinders.
Sometimes, brand new spark plugs will temporarily mask the over-rich condition by allowing seemingly acceptable performance for a few miles, or longer, depending on just how overly rich the too high fuel level is producing.
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I will perform those clear tube tests on each carb. I've done that before so I know how to do it. What you're saying sounds about right.
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Re: KZ 1000P Stalls at Stop
26 Apr 2016 19:52
Feeler gauges and Motion Pro shim tool on order.
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