Cylinders 2 and 3 running rich

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18 Nov 2015 17:38 #699289 by redhawk4
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If all else fails you could try swapping the coils over to see if the problem goes to the other two cylinders.

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19 Nov 2015 10:42 #699400 by JDRAKE4200
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Checked coils... 3.3 and 3.4 ohms. Forget the numbers on the secondary but both were above 10k.
Valves are good as I just checked them while the bike was apart.
So, the fuel screws on the bottom of the carb.... Screw in to lean it out?

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19 Nov 2015 12:43 #699419 by jdvorchak
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Rule of thumb if the mixture screw is on the air cleaner side of the slide then it's air and screw in to rich (less air) or out to lean (more air). If the mixture screw is on the engine side it's fuel. So screw in to lean mixture and screw out to richen.

Don't fix it until it's broken.
John

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19 Nov 2015 12:51 #699421 by jdvorchak
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One other thing I do when checking coils is to measure resistance between the spark plug wire connectors (where they plug onto the spark plugs). Then I'll measure the resistance between the towers of the coil. That way you are checking end to end. And finally each wire individually looking for a balance.

Don't fix it until it's broken.
John

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19 Nov 2015 12:59 #699424 by redhawk4
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JDRAKE4200 wrote: Checked coils... 3.3 and 3.4 ohms. Forget the numbers on the secondary but both were above 10k.
Valves are good as I just checked them while the bike was apart.
So, the fuel screws on the bottom of the carb.... Screw in to lean it out?


If the screws are on the bottom at the front they are "fuel screws" as opposed to "air screws" The further out they are the more fuel is allowed around that circuit. While these screws effect mixture at idle, I don't think they have much effect once you are up and running with some rpm on and throttle applied, so while they could make your plugs black at idle, I don't know that they would overall. Having said that they need to be set anyway.

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20 Nov 2015 05:15 #699518 by KZB2 650
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Wonder if you outta check the volts going to each coil.

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20 Nov 2015 05:38 #699531 by SWest
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Yup, they get their power from one connector. If it's dirty, you can have problems.
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20 Nov 2015 05:41 #699534 by SWest
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I ran a relay bypassing the 40 year old switches. Same problem with my new HID headlight. Wouldn't work until they sent me a relay and I installed it.
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20 Nov 2015 06:12 #699543 by redhawk4
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I still think swapping the coils from side to side to see if the problem follows the change, is the best way to eliminate the possibility of an issue with the actual coils them selves.

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