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05 Sep 2013 11:51 #604996 by Grumpy Ole Artist
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Finally have her running, ( Put about a hundred miles on her last night, tons o fun!)but have a sporadic fuel delivery issue...I have replaced tired original vacuum petcock with the re-pop Zuki unit from Z-1. Anyone had problems with these flowing enough go-juice? I am down to either A: insufficient vacuum to fully open diaphragm due to slightly low compression. or, B: Gas cap vent clogged. Re: A....If I can lay my hands on a vacuum guage, what reading should I have? Re: B. Are there servicable/replaceable parts inside the gas cap, or, could I simply take a blow out nozzle on a compressor to the keyhole? )(I am concerned about tearing something up in there!)Currently am riding on the "prime" setting, but still acts up once in a while. On the "run" (vacuum assist) petcock setting, it wants to sputter every so often. tried running with the tank cap open, seemed to help somewhat, so I am leaning that way...Kinda hate to have this manifest itself at the wrong time, potentially problematic...Spell that "squashed like a bug, LOL!" Thoughts?

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05 Sep 2013 11:55 #604998 by nickleo373
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Do you have an inline fuel filter that could be getting clogged up?

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05 Sep 2013 11:56 #604999 by koolaid_kid
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They are usually easy to clean, as they normally have two screws inside the cap that you can remove to clean the vent the proper way.

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05 Sep 2013 12:07 - 05 Sep 2013 12:10 #605002 by Grumpy Ole Artist
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Yup, brand new inline filter! Problem is sporadic...Begs yet another question, though...once a filter is clogged, wouldn't it STAY clogged? Fresh professional re-build on the carbs. Just outta the shop.Thanx Koolaid, I have seen the screws inside cap, Reckon I'll take me a little look-see!Thanx again, all!

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Last edit: 05 Sep 2013 12:10 by Grumpy Ole Artist. Reason: Response to subsequent suggestion

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05 Sep 2013 12:40 #605007 by koolaid_kid
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Yes, it would stay clogged. Did you purchase the proper type of filter? One for a gravity feed system, such as a lawn tractor, is what you want.

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05 Sep 2013 13:01 #605012 by Grumpy Ole Artist
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My mechanic used the standard filter he always uses for bikes, quads, etc. (And he IS one of the good ones, LOL!)Thanx, though!

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05 Sep 2013 14:11 #605025 by Beaner242
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Filter on the petcock itself smashed? Had this happen once on a bike.

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05 Sep 2013 14:23 - 05 Sep 2013 14:27 #605032 by Grumpy Ole Artist
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Brand new re-pop suzuki petcock, MUCH slimmer than original was, and a MUCH easier unit to get into tank, in-tank filter is perfect...Good thought, though! Can't wait to get home and try taking apart the tank cap...see what's what under there! (All right, mebbe just a SHORT country roads ride before I disable her...LOL!) Anything gonna jump out at me from behind those two screws under the filler cap? (Springs, etc)

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05 Sep 2013 17:04 - 05 Sep 2013 17:21 #605056 by 650ed
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Assuming your gas cap looks like this:

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the underside should look like this:

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if you remove the 3 screws you will find this:

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if you remove that center screw the metal piece with the brown papery thing comes off. Here's what that piece looks like from the underside:

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There is a spring under that piece; it sits between it and the underside of the gas cap like this:

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It's all pretty straight forward to take apart and re-assemble. If you get curious and decide to take apart the latch mechanism be sure to take note of how the spring that controls the little chrome keyhole cover is positioned. Here's what it looks like:

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Here are the pieces that comprise the latch mechanism. If you take it apart take a couple pictures as you go along so you can get all the little parts back where they belong. Ed

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05 Sep 2013 17:21 #605064 by Grumpy Ole Artist
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Could not IMAGINE anything more helpful! Color pics, even... the FSM hasn't got those! Thanx so much! (Hopefully it's a spider's nest in there, or something visible!)LOL! Thanx again!

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05 Sep 2013 18:18 - 05 Sep 2013 18:19 #605079 by slayer61
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650ed wrote: Assuming your gas cap looks like this:


the underside should look like this:


if you remove the 3 screws you will find this:


if you remove that center screw the metal piece with the brown papery thing comes off. Here's what that piece looks like from the underside:


There is a spring under that piece; it sits between it and the underside of the gas cap like this:


It's all pretty straight forward to take apart and re-assemble. If you get curious and decide to take apart the latch mechanism be sure to take note of how the spring that controls the little chrome keyhole cover is positioned. Here's what it looks like:


Here are the pieces that comprise achmentthe latch mechanism. If you take it apart take a couple pictures as you go along so you can get all the little parts back where they belong. Ed



Ed do you take your bike apart every time somebody has a question about this or that? ;) That's VERY kind of you... We appreciate it! Paul

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05 Sep 2013 18:20 #605081 by 650ed
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Of course. ;) Thank goodness no one has asked about the crankshaft! :woohoo: :woohoo: Ed

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