Kind of stuck here...

Ok, have K&N pod filters. Had them on, and it ran pretty good...I think.
After reading some (forum) views on PODS, the prudent thing was to put the air box back on the bike. So, thats how it is...now anyway.

Dynojet jet specialist (Mike) told me the 2310 jet kit (for the 1100's of this vintage) was designed to work in conjunction with individual air filters, and would NOT work with the stock air box. If I want to keep the air box, not to use the kit.

Why is it so difficult to make a decision about this?

I know that motoring safety would be compromised (further), but that don't matter much to me. I'll just put some pine tar on the grips, and make sure the back rest is mounted, to secure the wife.
The cops will probably hound me like when I was a hot-rod kid forty years ago, but the tickets are way-more expensive now.
But then again, gas was probably .75 cents a gallon (for premium!) too.

Pods in general are a very divisive subject. Yes, they flow more air. Yes, they require rejetting. In a CV carb they require a jet kit, such as a DynoJet kit, plus fine tuning the kit. Yes, in a torrential downpour they can let water in. Yes, they make more noise. And yes, when correctly tuned they will give the engine more power. When matched with a pipe, they will maximize the potential power of a stock or modified engine.
The stock airbox, OTOH, is engineered to work with all the other components, intake and exhaust, to provide maximum power with quietness, are virtually waterproof, and do not flow as much air, so do not provide as much power.
However, just as you have to rejet when you install pods, you have to go back to stock jetting when you go back to an airbox.
And Mike is correct.
You have been hoodwinked by the pod detractors.

But, I say BUT...I still have the pods, as detracted as I am! They are just idling in a box for now, I suppose.
Oh, I don't like riding in the rain. It gets the bike dirty, and after cleaning it for thirteen years, its better that way. Besides, I'm getting enough gray hairs riding on dry pavement.
Sure I'll get stuck in it once in a while, but seldom.

If you look in my signature, I am running pods, a pipe and a jet kit. And I like it.
And I am not scared to ride in the rain. At all. My Frogg Toggs are in my saddlebags when there is even a hint of a shower.

I will share my opinion on your bike, put the pods back on.
I am sure there are plenty of members that are just as certain that you need to keep the airbox and return the carbs to stock.
Dealer's choice.

I do not believe pods make more power on a stock engine, and I have never seen any dyno sheets that demonstrate that show they do.

Here is a very thorough independent test of pods done by professionals using a dyno. They had no axe to grind one way of the other. The test demonstrates pods do not make more power on a stock engine. If they couldn't get more power out of a stock engine using pods, professional tuners, and a dyno I doubt that anyone can. If anyone has managed more power from pods on a stock engine PLEASE post the dyno sheets. Ed

kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/585949-po...-a-free-lunch#585949

Hey 650ed

She is stock other than the V&H header, and Dyna 2000/Mini coils. Still manageable, but a little bichy at times. Thanks.

nice read on the link there Ed thanks. Not to hijack the OP thread but i dont have a stock airbox. Someone put the cheap pod filters on mine, i want to change to uni filters. what is the right neck size I should be looking for?

For 34s you need a 54 mm pod.

I haven't run a pod on a kz in years just because of the ease of swapping out carbs. I get fantastic fuel mileage. I ride in rain and side drafts don't bother me as i ride with my feet on the back pegs.

Nuff said on my part. Let em go boys !!

There is no reason to get into a pods/pipe debate in this thread, but the study does have one serious flaw: they were attempting to rejet the CV carbs using Mikuni jets. Anyone who has tried this has failed miserably. We try to drum this into everyone who considers pods over in the other forum.
This is why DynoJet is in business. It would be interesting to see a study using the correct jet kit, but that should not be debated in this thread.
I have sent a request to DynoJet for their dyno sheets demonstrating why riders should invest in their jet kits. We'll see how it goes.

I agree on this not deteriorating into another pod debate. Rather than relying on opinion or seat of the pants testing, I would really like to see independent dynometer sheets that show the performance of pods on stock engines. I am a doubting Thomas, so information provided directly from the maker of products always leaves me skeptical, that's why I prefer independent data from those without a vested interest in the outcome of a test. If advances in pod and/or jetting technology have been made over the years since the Cycle World test, and these advances boost performance on stock engines, surely some bike owner has dynometer results they can share. Ed

I agree on all points, Ed. If I do receive results from my request (which I doubt) I will start another thread and we can haggle in that one. I have been unable to find any test results on the web yet. I will make this final point in this thread and I will be done: there is no way to tune a CV carb using the method the article was using. It just does not work. I would like to see such an article using VM carbs, which can be tuned the way they were using, but there is no way it will happen. And when they did install VM carbs, which could have been tuned using their method, they did not attempt to tune the carbs. That is too bad, because IMHO that would have finalized the issue once and for all.