deceleration after freeway speeds

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21 Apr 2009 15:46 - 21 Apr 2009 15:49 #283759 by jzanutto
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my 78 KZ650 B has stock carbs, pods and kerker. I have it all pretty much dialed in now, it runs great but today I took it to work to show off and after riding about 10 minutes of sustained freeway speed (70), once I came to a stop at the stoplight it wanted to idle real low and died.

Once I started it back up and headed onto work on the regular roads it was just fine. Then on the way back from work, it was just the same. Ran fine on the surface roads, then 10 mins of freeway and pulled the clutch in while on the offramp and it wanted to die so I babied it with the throttle while sitting at the light. Then it cleared up and ran normal.

Anyone had this? or know what it might be?

this is a total rebuild bike - new carb boots, sealant on the boot - to - head joint, carbs overhauled, jets are stock, timing is set, etc, etc. please dont even mention the coil wire relay thingy..... sheesh thats the fix for everything these days! I have a new wire harness, handlebar controls and plugs, wires...

It is completely normal except for this.

1978 KZ650B 2004 BMW R1150RT
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21 Apr 2009 15:51 #283761 by PLUMMEN
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have you run a compression test on it once it warms up? :(

Still recovering,some days are better than others.

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21 Apr 2009 16:11 #283773 by N0NB
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Besides a compression test, are you sure the vent passage in the fuel cap is clean? When I redid my tanks I made sure the vent was clean with a generous dose of carb cleaner.

Nate

Nates vintage bike axiom: Riding is the reward for time spent wrenching.
Murphys corollary: Wrenching is the result of time spent riding.

1979 KZ650 (Complete!)
1979 KZ650 SR (Sold!)
1979 KL250 (For sale)
1994 Bayou 400 (four wheel peel :D )

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21 Apr 2009 16:15 #283775 by jzanutto
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one question for the record, are these the stock carbs for a 78KZ650B??

1978 KZ650B 2004 BMW R1150RT
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21 Apr 2009 16:16 #283776 by jzanutto
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heres how they look

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21 Apr 2009 16:20 - 21 Apr 2009 16:26 #283779 by loudhvx
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That is the classic symptom of needing to do valve shims.

The valves heat up on the expressway just enough to not seal, but you can't notice the difference on the highway. At idle the leakage is just enough to kill the motor. After just a few minutes the valves shrink just enough to seal again and all seems fine.

The problem will be worse on hot days, and maybe not noticeable on cold days.

A valve-lash check is in order.

Also should mention, a compression test will not reveal any problem. The engine cools so fast that the valves seal back up in moments. By the time you do the comp test, everything is back to normal.

Only checking the lash will tell the story.
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21 Apr 2009 16:25 #283781 by N0NB
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jzanutto wrote:

one question for the record, are these the stock carbs for a 78KZ650B??


With the air screw on the side, I'd say no, that they're not correct. Does the number 2 carb have the accelerator pump on it (you'll know it as it's much different than the other three)?

Nate

Nates vintage bike axiom: Riding is the reward for time spent wrenching.
Murphys corollary: Wrenching is the result of time spent riding.

1979 KZ650 (Complete!)
1979 KZ650 SR (Sold!)
1979 KL250 (For sale)
1994 Bayou 400 (four wheel peel :D )

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21 Apr 2009 16:28 #283785 by loudhvx
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I believe there was more than one type of carb for the 77 and/or 78 650's. At least I've seem to come across more than one type. It makes air/mixture screw and jetting info confusing.

They look similar, though.

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21 Apr 2009 16:35 #283789 by keith1
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jzanutto wrote:

one question for the record, are these the stock carbs for a 78KZ650B??




i could be wrong, but the extra ribbing going horizontally on carb bodies is from an older style...???

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21 Apr 2009 16:43 - 21 Apr 2009 16:44 #283791 by jzanutto
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every one of the valves are between .003" and .004". Just went through the engine. No accelerator pump

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21 Apr 2009 16:47 #283795 by cmmman
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If you have pods and the kerker you may want to adjust the jetting.

1977 KZ650B, modified.

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21 Apr 2009 17:02 #283812 by jzanutto
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I will also see if my advancer is hanging open.

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