Issues getting into second (while moving)

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23 Apr 2022 12:20 #866010 by linuxrob
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Did the bike spend a long time stored? The small ball bearings in the "neutral finder" may have stuck, have you changed the oil? what colour and state was the old oil?? Only use 10 - 40  semi synthetic in these motors.

Rob B
1980 Z500 B2 owned from new 78260 miles
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23 Apr 2022 12:27 #866013 by Buffalo515
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The shift lever feels fine. It returns like it should. I was just going to check it before I dive into replacing the forks, but now I don’t think I will check it because removing those seized bolts will be an even bigger headache. 

I know it’s hard to make the call with the few details I’ve given but do you guys think I should just pull the motor now for forks instead of messing with the shifter mechanism when the shift feels fine?
Travis
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1984 GPZ 550
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23 Apr 2022 14:47 - 23 Apr 2022 14:47 #866021 by Buffalo515
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It doesn’t feel sloppy. The shifter seems to work as it should. 
Travis
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23 Apr 2022 14:47 #866022 by SWest
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No. Did you free the plates?
Steve
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23 Apr 2022 15:00 #866025 by Buffalo515
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Not sure how long the bike sat before I got it last august. The friction plates definitely could use replacing but they were not stuck.
Travis
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23 Apr 2022 15:50 - 23 Apr 2022 15:51 #866028 by Buffalo515
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Also I was finally able to get into the outer shift mechanism using an impact tool on the bolts. The shift spring as I suspected is in working condition. So it must be the fork then or possible the neutral finder bearings being stuck right?
Travis
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1984 GPZ 550
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24 Apr 2022 08:27 - 24 Apr 2022 08:42 #866057 by Buffalo515
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Below are some pictures of the shift forks and drum. Upon inspection, I notice a the crack (which is pictured below) in the 2nd/4th fork. None of the forks were visible bent. Is that crack enough to cause the issues I have been experience? All of the shift fork thicknesses were measured and are within tolerance. 
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24 Apr 2022 08:54 #866058 by SWest
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Is the shift fork shaft hollow/bent?
Steve
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24 Apr 2022 09:35 #866061 by Buffalo515
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Its hard to tell if its bent but just upon visual inspection it appears not. Also, it doesn't appear hollow just that crack. I ordered new ones so they are getting replaced anyway. I also check that the neutral finder bearings were not stuck. I'd hate to not find anything definitive going through the bike. 
Travis
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24 Apr 2022 10:01 #866063 by linuxrob
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Have only these pics of my spare gearbox parts
2/4 selector and neutral finder bits on output shaft


hope it helps
Rob B
1980 Z500 B2 owned from new 78260 miles
1980 Z500 B2 in bits since 1982 23000 miles
2004 GSF1200S Bandit K4
2000 GS125 ESD
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24 Apr 2022 12:15 #866067 by Buffalo515
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Thanks for the pictures Rob. I think I am going to just replace forks, clutch friction plates, and remove those three neutral bearings and see how it runs when I get the parts this week. Unless anybody else has any other things I should look for other than what we covered? Am I right in thinking that removing the neutral finder bearings wouldn't harm anything?
Travis
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24 Apr 2022 12:21 - 24 Apr 2022 12:23 #866068 by TexasKZ
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Perhaps it is just photo distortion, but the wear patterns on the sides of the forks look quite different from each other. It seems especially so in the picture with the arrow pointing to the crack. If that is actually the case, the fork may be twisted just enough to cause problems. 
I cannot tell for sure, but that flaw the arrow points to looks more like a casting flaw than a crack.
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