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Help diagnosing top end engine noise 01 Jan 2022 19:38 #859932

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I haven't found any evidence that someone tightened down the valve cover without loosening the tensioner. All the guides look good and I have not found any evidence in the oil pan of broken guides. The chain is a bit stretched, but it's at the outward edge of the serviceable limit. The bike has about 80,000 miles and is a former cop bike, so I figure the chain stretch is normal, and not outside of the limit.

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Help diagnosing top end engine noise 01 Jan 2022 19:40 #859933

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Thanks-- I have not checked this. I'll pull the exhaust when I get a chance and see if there's any sign of a rogue guide.

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Help diagnosing top end engine noise 01 Jan 2022 19:42 #859934

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Here's the main thing, though: whatever is causing this noise, it only starts up as the engine warms. The bike sounds perfectly fine when you first start it up, but after ten minutes or so of idling, it sounds like something you'd never trust to ride.

This seems to be the main clue. What do you guys think would come on with warming like this?

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Help diagnosing top end engine noise 01 Jan 2022 19:49 #859936

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If it is a guide it would get loose when hot but they're made to bottom when installed. If it is a oversized one could be installed.
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Help diagnosing top end engine noise 01 Jan 2022 20:11 #859938

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Thanks very much. What do you mean when you say they are made to bottom? I don't quite understand, but this sounds like it could be a good possibility.

 

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Help diagnosing top end engine noise 01 Jan 2022 20:45 #859940

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They have a shoulder on them so they can't go too far down. That doesn't mean it wasn't loose and worked it's way down. Only way to find out is to take the head off. You might find a damaged guide in the process.
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Help diagnosing top end engine noise 01 Jan 2022 21:12 #859941

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They have a shoulder on them so they can't go too far down. That doesn't mean it wasn't loose and worked it's way down. Only way to find out is to take the head off. You might find a damaged guide in the process.
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The guide 49002-1002 shoulder-stop is a circlip 92036-023 located such that it bottoms the guide at the head surface.
 
I believe the affected guide gets driven deeper into the hole along with the circlip which protrudes just a tiny amount.

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The sunken guide should be visible with the exhaust pulled away from the head, as it was obvious in my situation.
A Ca. police bike mechanic once told me that those bikes were often left running during traffic stops by careless riders.  They should have been ticketed for doing so. 
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Help diagnosing top end engine noise 01 Jan 2022 21:30 #859942

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Thank you both very much, Steve and Daveo. I'll inspect and see if I can't spot something like this on the exhaust side.

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Help diagnosing top end engine noise 03 Jan 2022 18:34 #859985

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Use a length of 5/8 heater hose as a stethoscope.

Also, when you tightened the exhaust header did you lift the weight from the rear?  
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