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01 Jan 2022 14:40 - 01 Jan 2022 14:41 #859913
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Without having heard it I can't say. The bucket issue sounds very similar to wide valve lash and is consistent with revs.
If you had a sticky cam link/s making the noise it wouldn't be evey crank rev.
I would get hold of a stethoscope and try to at least try to isolate the area that is causing the noise before doing anything else.
They are cheap on ebay and handy to have in the tool box.
If you had a sticky cam link/s making the noise it wouldn't be evey crank rev.
I would get hold of a stethoscope and try to at least try to isolate the area that is causing the noise before doing anything else.
They are cheap on ebay and handy to have in the tool box.
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01 Jan 2022 15:17 #859916
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A video would help identify the sound. On the smaller fours uneven carbs will cause all kinds of racket at idle but would go away at rev. I suspect a loose cam chain guide could cause it.
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01 Jan 2022 15:44 #859917
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I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.
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It is possible for a timing chain to stretch farther than the tensioner will take up. Did the engine make noise before you changed the tensioner?
I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.
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01 Jan 2022 16:27 #859920
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Your opening statement said you have plenty of oil to the valvetrain .
But you now say the oil may not be getting to all the buckets . Ok Which valves are lacking lubrication ?
Intakes or exhaust ? left or right bank ? When the block and head were installed could to much silicone / sealant
have partially or completely plugged the passage at the cylinder stud ?
All the above suggestions from our membership make sense but we are all guessing .
Start with the simple answers / mistakes first..
PS ALWAYS replace the timing chain while the cases are split..
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But you now say the oil may not be getting to all the buckets . Ok Which valves are lacking lubrication ?
Intakes or exhaust ? left or right bank ? When the block and head were installed could to much silicone / sealant
have partially or completely plugged the passage at the cylinder stud ?
All the above suggestions from our membership make sense but we are all guessing .
Start with the simple answers / mistakes first..
PS ALWAYS replace the timing chain while the cases are split..
Happy New Years
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Original owner 78 1000 LTD
Mr Turbo Race Kit, MTC 1075 Turbo pistons by PitStop Performance , Falicon Ultra Lite Super Crank, APE everything. Les Holt @ PDM's Billet Goodies . Frame by Chuck Kurzawa @ Logghe Chassis . Deep sump 5qt oil pan. RIP Bill Hahn
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01 Jan 2022 17:20 #859921
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I just realized that my engine, a J engine, does not have a top cam chain idler sprocket. It relies on tension from the guide under the valve cover. So, I can't do this inspection of oil flow with the valve cover off. Does anyone out there have any ideas on how I can assess what the lubrication situation around the valve lifters is like?
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01 Jan 2022 17:33 #859922
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With that type of system the cam cover must be put back on with the tensioner loose or a guide might be broken. That might be what you're hearing.
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01 Jan 2022 18:12 #859924
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Yes. With the manual tensioner, it still has room to take up slack, though the old automatic tensioner seemed maxed out. The advent of the manual tensioner has made no difference in the noise.
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01 Jan 2022 18:14 #859925
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Indeed. I've always been cautious about that-- though I can't speak for the previous owners. From what I can tell, by inspecting the oil pan and looking at the guides with the valve cover off, it doesn't seem that any guides are broken.
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01 Jan 2022 18:16 #859926
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Thanks. What would be the best way to determine if I have a loose cam chain guide?
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01 Jan 2022 18:19 #859927
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You won't be able to tell until you take out the cams for a better look. Whoever put the valve cover on without a loose cam chain could have broken a guide and not knowing it.
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01 Jan 2022 18:38 #859929
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I had a KZP cylinder head installed for a short time on this engine about ten years ago. Among other issues it had, one sunken valve guide created a lot of engine rattle-noise at revs above 3K rpms. Like Flatblackobsession, I was extremely concerned about blowing up the motor before finding the cause.
At one point I thought the rattle was caused by something loose in the exhaust. While removing the exhaust system I could see that one valve guide was lower than the rest.
That guide was the culprit, and it must have hooked up with the valve for some incredibly hellacious rides.
Another head took care of that problem.
At one point I thought the rattle was caused by something loose in the exhaust. While removing the exhaust system I could see that one valve guide was lower than the rest.
That guide was the culprit, and it must have hooked up with the valve for some incredibly hellacious rides.
Another head took care of that problem.
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01 Jan 2022 19:00 #859930
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Only other thing I can think of is perhaps the cam cover was put on without it's chain-guide installed. Can't imagine the chain noises that would make...
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Having swapped J-heads a few times, I suggest that breaking a cam-chain guide would take a noticeable amount of force.You won't be able to tell until you take out the cams for a better look. Whoever put the valve cover on without a loose cam chain could have broken a guide and not knowing it.
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Only other thing I can think of is perhaps the cam cover was put on without it's chain-guide installed. Can't imagine the chain noises that would make...
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