Helicoil?
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Helicoil?
28 May 2018 12:26 - 28 May 2018 12:26
After I had replaced some shims and was installing the cams back again one of the bolts, wanted torque up...
For me it looks like I have damage the helicoil?
I dident now I had helicoils? Can you see if from the picture? Is these some left over for the heli coil? Can I just install a new one?
Helicoil for 5mmbolt?
Was thinking bying these set:
www.biltema.no/no/Verktoy/Skjareverktoy/...nnsatser-2000022481/
For me it looks like I have damage the helicoil?
I dident now I had helicoils? Can you see if from the picture? Is these some left over for the heli coil? Can I just install a new one?
Helicoil for 5mmbolt?
Was thinking bying these set:
www.biltema.no/no/Verktoy/Skjareverktoy/...nnsatser-2000022481/
1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).
Project:
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
Project:
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
Last edit: 28 May 2018 12:26 by gordone.
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Re: Helicoil?
28 May 2018 13:49 - 28 May 2018 14:34
No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationThat's just the threads coming out. They are M 6 bolts. You can buy ones like this.
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Re: Helicoil?
28 May 2018 13:58 - 28 May 2018 14:01
Theres definately a helicoil already in there, you can see the two different thread diameters. If you can get the old one out, which wont be easy, you can just screw a new one in but you'll need the inserter T bar thats part of the kit you linked to.
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Re: Helicoil?
28 May 2018 14:10
If it´s a Helicoil insert the broken part should be removable with neodymium magnet.
How many torque do you use?
How many torque do you use?
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Re: Helicoil?
28 May 2018 14:23
Thank you all 
I’m using 12nm close to the service speck 11.76nm
I will by the kit/set tomorrow.
Can I use the drill made for making threats to remove the old helicoil, what is left when I’m removed what I «can» manualy?
I will by these

I’m using 12nm close to the service speck 11.76nm
I will by the kit/set tomorrow.
Can I use the drill made for making threats to remove the old helicoil, what is left when I’m removed what I «can» manualy?
I will by these
1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).
Project:
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
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www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
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Re: Helicoil?
28 May 2018 14:29
If those pieces are magnetic they are helicoils. If not threads. It's that simple. I was able to use a pick and pull the old one out then thread a new one in. In the tight space the tool is impossible to use. I use a A/C schrader valve tool for this.
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Re: Helicoil?
28 May 2018 14:31
Don´t try to bore out the inserts, they hardened!!!!!
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Re: Helicoil?
28 May 2018 14:36
Shouldn't have to drill it.
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Re: Helicoil?
28 May 2018 14:37
Don´t try to bore out the inserts, they hardened!!!!!
You have to bent the first turn of the insert out of the bore with a scribing needle and pull and turn it out counter clockwise with a needle-nosed pliers.
You have to bent the first turn of the insert out of the bore with a scribing needle and pull and turn it out counter clockwise with a needle-nosed pliers.
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Re: Helicoil?
28 May 2018 14:40
I never torque down to the service manual levels. These engines are 40 years old and have been through countless heat cycles. 40 yo steel into 40 yo aluminium is asking for trouble at those settings. Use a small spanner so you dont get too much leverage on it and let your hand be the torque wrench. They really dont need to be super tight.
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Re: Helicoil?
29 May 2018 06:17Warren3200gt wrote: I never torque down to the service manual levels. These engines are 40 years old and have been through countless heat cycles. 40 yo steel into 40 yo aluminium is asking for trouble at those settings. Use a small spanner so you dont get too much leverage on it and let your hand be the torque wrench. They really dont need to be super tight.
I wouldn't use over 81/2 to 9nm or75..... 80 max inch lbs.
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29MM smooth bores W/ 17.5 pilots, 0-6s and 117.5 main
16/42 gearing X ring chain and alum rear JT sprocket.
700cc Wiseco kit 10 to 1.
1980 KZ750 cam, ape springs, stock clutch/ Barnett springs.
Vance and Hines Header w/ comp baffle and Ape pods, Dyna S and green coils, copper wires.
29MM smooth bores W/ 17.5 pilots, 0-6s and 117.5 main
16/42 gearing X ring chain and alum rear JT sprocket.
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Re: Helicoil?
29 May 2018 06:22 - 29 May 2018 06:23KZB2 650 wrote:Warren3200gt wrote: I never torque down to the service manual levels. These engines are 40 years old and have been through countless heat cycles. 40 yo steel into 40 yo aluminium is asking for trouble at those settings. Use a small spanner so you dont get too much leverage on it and let your hand be the torque wrench. They really dont need to be super tight.
I wouldn't use over 81/2 to 9nm or75..... 80 max inch lbs.
I understand why you are so afraid of using what the service manual says?
Rest of the bolts goes fine have taken them out and in many times last years?
I know why I damage the helicoil, the bolt was not strate.. I used it to enter the "cam holder".....
Must make sure the bolts is straith when it start screw....
Have purcahse 6mm set today, hopefylly in afternoon will I be able to fix these

1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).
Project:
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
Project:
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
Last edit: 29 May 2018 06:23 by gordone.
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