Cylinder wall condition.

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06 Dec 2017 13:03 #775657 by SWest

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06 Dec 2017 13:25 #775658 by kevski
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If you re-bore go the next size up, as i do not know what bike you have i cannot recommend exactly what you need, also what country are you in, if the US Z1 enterprises would be a good place to go.

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06 Dec 2017 13:56 - 06 Dec 2017 15:49 #775661 by Nessism
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationNo eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationPiston options are limited.

OEM oversize pistons and rings were discontinued and very hard to find.

There is a place in England that sells .5mm oversize pistons and rings (look on ebay). They are pretty expensive and I suspect, the pistons/rings are made in China, but not positive.

Wiseco big bore kit - +3mm. Available everywhere. Good quality but expensive.

Cruzin Image big bore kit - +3mm. Dirt cheap. Most reviews are pretty good though. These might be your best bet if money is important.

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06 Dec 2017 16:26 #775669 by ThatGPzGuy
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I got a set of the IMD pistons for my KZP. I believe they are made in India. Seem to be of decent quality, at least my machinist thought so.

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07 Dec 2017 07:07 #775690 by gordone
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ThatGPzGuy wrote: I got a set of the IMD pistons for my KZP. I believe they are made in India. Seem to be of decent quality, at least my machinist thought so.


Where did you purchase them +0,5mm ?

1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).

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www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine

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07 Dec 2017 07:18 - 07 Dec 2017 07:34 #775692 by gordone
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Today I just tried to sand (just some), and it didn't improve anything, see attached picture.

I have more options then how to proceed as I understand from you.

I have talked with my local workshop, and he said from the picture it looks like honing is not enough, and he could
"raw" borr the cylinder +0,4mm to see if the cylinders are fine before I order any pistons.

Data:
Engine: 81 750-4
Carbs: VM24


If I goes up to big bore with 69mm piston what will the result be?
1. Only re jetting to get the bike running fine (my carbs is from 650CC engine same year)?
2. How much more power will I get approx, will it be a big difference in the driving experience much more acceleration?
3. What is the side effect? will the gear box or something get errors quicker/earlier? Do I need to rebuild more of the engine?

Thank you all for your inputs.

1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).

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www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
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07 Dec 2017 08:24 #775698 by SWest
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I bored rusty 750 barrels out to 1000 and still saw staining. They are cast iron and very porous. I ran them for two years. No problems. If yours are not pitted, I'd hone them, install new rings and RIDE THE PISS OUT OF IT. :woohoo:
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07 Dec 2017 16:16 #775717 by gordone
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I think I will go for the "raw" bore on 0,4mm to see what happens...
What steps do I`have if 0,4mm is not enough to i need to whole way to 69mm ? what steps do I have ?

Somebody know what impact big bore 69mm will have for me when it comes to get the engine running fine after these upgrade?

I have created a separate thread when it comes to the valves:
kzrider.com/forum/2-engine/607490-valves#775716

1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).

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www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine

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07 Dec 2017 17:57 #775723 by Street Fighter LTD
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Keep in mind while doing a rough overbore.. Without having the new pistons in the hand of your machinist. That you should take out as little material as needed to do the bore cleanup.
Your machinist can then check the actual size of your new pistons to then finish bore or hone your cylinders to the exact right size to achieve the recommended piston to cylinder wall clearance
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07 Dec 2017 18:05 #775724 by Nessism
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.4mm over bore is a fine idea. That will allow you to see if the bores clean up and still allow a few thousands for the final hone to size after you get the pistons.
I'm pretty sure you will be fine with .5mm.
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08 Dec 2017 03:38 #775734 by ThatGPzGuy
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gordone wrote:

ThatGPzGuy wrote: I got a set of the IMD pistons for my KZP. I believe they are made in India. Seem to be of decent quality, at least my machinist thought so.


Where did you purchase them +0,5mm ?


eBay. stores.ebay.com/imdpistons/

Jim
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2016 Yamaha FJR1300ES
1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
1981 Honda XR200 stroked in an '89 CR125 chassis
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1967 Triumph GT6
1976 Bronco
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08 Dec 2017 07:37 - 08 Dec 2017 07:38 #775742 by gordone
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationI`m so grateful for your feedback !

I have good references on the machinist person, cross my fingers 0,4mm is enough :)

If so is the next question what oversize +0,5mm piston I shall purchase...

And there are only one option as I understand?

1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).

Project:
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
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