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02 Apr 2017 07:20 #758340 by davido
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I converted from cable to hydraulic clutch on my KZ1000CSR. Ive been moving the mounting plate in and out to try to find the sweet spot where everything is working right.The bike now goes into gear,takes off and switches gear fine but Its a bugger to get into neutral. Any ideas on how to approach this??
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02 Apr 2017 07:29 #758341 by SWest
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Is the weight of the lever taking up the free play?
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02 Apr 2017 09:20 #758344 by davido
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SWest wrote: Is the weight of the lever taking up the free play?
Steve


Not sure what you mean Steve.Theres no free play in the lever, its from the doner bike and is matched to the master cylinder and the slave cylinder,so not adjustable like the 'cable' lever. My only means of adjustment is moving the slave cylinder mounting plate in or out using spacers,putting more or less pressure on the push rod.
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02 Apr 2017 09:39 #758348 by SWest
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I was thinking it may be loading a small amount of pressure on the slave.
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02 Apr 2017 11:08 #758359 by Nessism
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Clutch drag can make finding neutral a bitch. The issue could be related to your hydraulic device not disengaging the clutch far enough, thus leading to drag. Could be you need less free play. Could be your clutch plates are slightly warped thus leading to excess drag.

I had a GS1000 that was a bugger to find neutral. Adjusting freeplay made no difference. Eventually the clutch was changed and the problem went away completely.
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02 Apr 2017 12:51 #758364 by SWest
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Or the plates could be stuck together.
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03 Apr 2017 05:30 #758365 by davido
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You may both have a point there. The clutch could potentially be 35 years old ( if the PO never changed it) but if it was damaged would it not show up in other ways? Would I not have problems changing into any gear?
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03 Apr 2017 06:53 #758369 by SWest
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It would work but have a slight drag. I suggest taking the plates out, oil them and put them in one at a time.
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03 Apr 2017 07:17 #758375 by Nessism
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davido wrote: You may both have a point there. The clutch could potentially be 35 years old ( if the PO never changed it) but if it was damaged would it not show up in other ways? Would I not have problems changing into any gear?


On my old GS1000 the transmission shifted perfectly and there was no creep at idle or what have you suggesting clutch drag. The plates were functional in all ways other than they were warped just enough to cause drag that affected the finding neutral.
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03 Apr 2017 10:36 #758388 by davido
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Ok,Ill open it up and have a look this weekend,No point messing around with the slave position if the clutch itself is not in good fettle.
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03 Apr 2017 20:47 #758426 by Z1Driver
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Did you have this problem prior to installing the slave cly?
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03 Apr 2017 23:41 - 03 Apr 2017 23:42 #758430 by davido
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To be honest,I dont remember. I bought the bike as a non runner and got it running enough to take it up the road to check the gearbox before stripping it. So, I never got familiar with the bike as it was ( cable operated ). Its possible there was a problem with the neutral but equally its possible that all is well and the problem comes from me ditching the cable operation and going with a homemade hydraulic set up!
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/594313-csr1000-project-build
CB550 (1978)
CB500/4 (1972)*
KZ1000CSR (1981)
XT 600E (1999)
TDM900 (2003)
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